Mmr and links to austim

[Michelle38wales]

Do you think there’s a link with mmr and austim, I’ve already 3 children with austim so not sure about my baby having it

It is up to individual parents whether they decide to vaccinate their children or not.

My children, like all children, are at risk of no harm from rubella.

Unfortunately @MrBirlingsAwfulWife @grabbit doesn't give a shit about playing their part in herd immunity.

Vaccinate or not, totally up to you. But don’t not vaccinate because you think the tiny chance of them having a fatal vaccine reaction is lower than the chance of complications from mumps or rubella. It just isn’t.

I don't think I have ever said "I don't give a shit"

What I have said and what I will happily repeat is that yes, I will put my children first and certainly over and above a hypothetical adult.

Yes it is a decision for every parent to take.
And you should be thanking the rest of us for protecting your children.

I have ASD
I didn’t have the mmr

Er thanks

I don't think I have ever said "I don't give a shit"

Well, actions speak louder than words. Relying on your teen daughter to choose to vaccinate herself against rubella before becoming sexual active seems to be “not giving a shit” to me.

@grabbit but your decision is not protecting children who are too young for vaccines. Or the immune compromised of any age who are not permitted to have vaccines. Your focus on not protecting adults is completely ignoring these groups. Can you not see that?

It is morally wrong to ask babies to take a risk - even a small one - for the sake of a hypothetical adult.

But that’s what you’re doing. You are endangering small babies by not vaccinating your children. You just don’t care because it’s other people’s small babies.

My son contracted pertussis in NICU - someone actually brought pertussis into a NICU, probably unknowingly. I had the vaccination so I didn’t catch it and his twin didn’t catch it, but he was very small and growth restricted and already very sick.

How do you prevent your children from spreading these viruses to babies and pregnant women and chemo patients when viruses often shed before symptoms start?

A very cursory punned search turned up this family: 2 out of 3 children in the same family died of rubella. Did you do your research entirely on antivax websites, or did you actually consult the medical literature?

wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/24/10/18-0053_article

The government do admit things go wrong at time and also have an online form for a one off vaccine damage claim. They do admit that very very very very very very very rarely, things don't work out as planned. There are always risks with medicine.
With this logic, you wouldn't give your kids any medication or have any medical procedure.

punned = pubmed

Yes, because the person who needs to take responsibility for the small baby in question is their mother. As she is the one carrying it.

rainbow no, just that I wouldn't give them medication they didn't need; I imagine I am not alone in that.

I also know that at least one of diseases included in the MMR is of no risk to my children at this point in their lives.
I had mumps twice and measles twice as a young child. Would not wish it on anyone it was horrendous.
Hope your kids dont suffer due to.your notion that its not bad enough to worry about.
(Thing is your kids prob wont get it due to all the other parents who have had thier kids immunised to reduce the incidence in uk over the years. You're welcome)

grabbit if you put your children first, you would get them vaccinated. Measles kills. Even if the MMR did cause ASD (and it really bloody doesn’t), you think that’s worse than a seriously ill, or even dead, child? What an awesome way of putting your children first.

yet here you are today willow

Yes it's terribly sad and I entirely believe Jackie Fletcher that a vaccine may have triggered her sons epilepsy. I don't believe that means all children should avoid the vaccine - we know not all children have epilepsy triggered by them. In fact we know that the vast proportion of vaccinated children are protected by vaccines not harmed by them at all.

It's like you send your child to a a lovely school, it benefits them. Most children who go to the school have a much happier life with more prospects.... but one child has a serious car accident on the way to it... you don't then avoid the school because of one awful tragic event compared to the many who benefited from attending the school im crap at analogies but I hope you see my point

Your daughters may find themselves pregnant unexpectedly one day

A measles epidemic might suddenly happen in your area... your daughters are at more risk from measles than the vaccine. Being a live vaccine it takes 10-14 days I think to begin building immunity. It's not like you hear on Wednesday that next door has measles, get the jab that afternoon and your sorted...

Ah well! Like others I have tried. Grabbit's hypothetical children will just have to take their chances with a parent with an appallingly poor grasp or relative risk, hypothetically speaking of course!

Do you really not understand grabbit that if more parents acted as you have, every single child would be at much greater risk of all 3 diseases? Your newborns would have been at much greater risk if the general population was not vaccinated. Your actions illustrate completely that you don't give a shit.

One of your children may get measles, mumps or rubella. They may suffer no long term problems but pass it on to a new born or immunoduppressed individual.

Your children have already benefited but you are sticking 2 fingers up everyone else.

@grabbit a mother being vaccinated provides some protection for her baby but it is by no means guaranteed. Babies rely on herd immunity until they are old enough to vaccinate.

I notice you didn't mention the immune compromised as you clearly have no answer to that.

It was quite a bit more than epilepsy

My answer to that is the same as always. My duty and my moral responsibility is to my own children.

the jury is out on the autism links.
No grabbit the jury is not out. There is no fucking link!

And vaccines (and all medical treatments) are constantly tested, reviewed and subject to stringent testing, even after being reviewed. Hence my  at you citing an 8 year old article as 'evidence'. As I said earlier in the thread, I have an ASD child and 3 NT children. All are fully vaccinated (and the ASD traits presented themselves before vaccinations).

I am fully aware of caring for a disabled child, and being skint as I have up my career to care for him and take him to daily therapies.

Are you saying that your girls will not be sexually active before they legally become an adult? (Good luck with that!) And that you are completely devoid of responsibility for their wellbeing and that of any future grandchildren?

Your logic is honestly tantamount to neglect IMO.