Mmr and links to austim

[Michelle38wales]

Do you think there’s a link with mmr and austim, I’ve already 3 children with austim so not sure about my baby having it

or at any rate it hasn't been proved

fine

nonetheless it has been proved that in some rare cases damage stems from the vaccinations

as such the vaccinations should only occur when they benefit the child

rainbow it might be eight years old but robert fletcher is still in a wheelchair

DEATH IS A PREFERABLE OPTION?

Jury is out on the autism links?

Oh, FFS.

This thread is a perfect example of how you cannot reason with stupid.

I’m not sure why you are so insistent that measles, mumps and rubella are harmless diseases grabbit? I’ve provided links to actual cases of healthy children who have died, and references of serious neurological complications.

Please stop insisting that they are harmless. Children can and do die of all three diseases. In much higher numbers than die from vaccine complications.

It's because grabbit doesn't give a shit.

My duty and my moral responsibility is to my own children.

But not only does she not give a shit about anyone else, she doesn't understand that she is not protecting her own children and future grandchildren.

I'm not sashkin

In the majority of cases, mumps and rubella are mild and harmless childhood diseases. Measles can be harmful and as such I would vaccinate against it.

Yes, the jury IS out on the link between MMR and autism. It unanimously found not guilty.

Take your blinkers off and understand you risk your little girls facing spontaneous abortion and giving birth to a deaf blind child. By the time they are pregnant it’s too late to protect them. They may be one of the many teenage pregnancies. They may contract mumps and develop viral encephalitis- hard to treat because it’s viral. You will have done untold damage for some tragic, misinformed ideology. Your version of reality is negligent parenting hidden in concern for the individual.

I have no current plans to take the risk that could be caused by vaccine damage to protect them against a disease that would not harm them in the first place

This is a bizarre approach to risk minimisation. Your child is vanishingly unlikely to have any kind of reaction to the MMR, other than a sore arm. There’s a non-trivial risk of serious harm and death if your child catches measles. And yet you think the likelihood and severity of harm from the vaccine is greater than the risk from the disease?

vaccinations should only occur when they benefit thechild

The benefit to the child includes not getting the illness but is about a great deal more.

*In the majority of cases, mumps and rubella vaccine reactions are mild and harmless

FTFY.

Do you really not understand that vaccine reactions are less common than serious mumps/rubella complications? And that mumps/rubella complications include serious neurological damage and death? How many links do I need to provide for you to accept this?

It was quite a bit more than epilepsy erm, again, no idea !

That poor woman was another that Wakefield got to. She founded JABS.

I can only imagine how much confusion and angst Wakefield added to her life as she came to terms with her sons' situation and the ongoing real issues with vaccines.

Nonetheless, as the JABS site says, it is about informed choices. Not wildly inaccurate or ill conceived statements like "The jury is out" or "My children, like all children, are at risk of no harm from rubella.^

if someone doesn't vaccinate their children in childhood - are you aware that catching childhood diseases later on (ie when they travel, go to high school, college, university, work) the side effects of thses disease are horrendous - lets take mumps it can make men & sometimes women too, sterile, you can also develop pancreatitis which is a risk to life - my uncle got it in middle age he was in hospital a long time, he had strong man with no apparent health risks. Look up Roald Dahl - he lost a daughter to meningitis caused by measles infection, and if your daughter or son contract rubella as an adult not only will endanger them but it could endanger their potential child. Measles use to be one of the main causes of deafness & antibiotics wont stop that happening if the measles infects their inner ear, the stats for these problems are difficult to uncover when you look up the internet. Your child is at greater risk from these diseases than from the vaccination.

grabbit have I read that right, that you think your child dying is preferable to your child having ASD? Fucking hell.

Yes he has severe epilepsy. Where I come from epilepsy isn't something you are dismissing as a sniffle

He is severely disabled

This is tragic

That wasn't what anyone expected or hoped would happen- it is NOT what happens in most children and HUGE numbers of the population thankfully vaccinate so we know that many more benefit than are harmed.

I personally wish that people would stop shutting down the fact that there are a small minority of children who are vaccine damaged and do some research into why these particular kids are. But when we have people who won't vaccinate based on a completely skewed sense of risk and morality I fear our governments are too scared to add weight to any of the daft myths out there by funding proper investigation on behalf of these children

It's become so contentious that if you express a concern you're called stupid and everyone forgets that every other drug carries risks - allergic reactions, overdoses, storing it incorrectly, combination of meds that interact. Yet that doesn't stop us from understanding that despite a risk of deafness from some antibiotics... it's preferable to death by sepsis

No

No sign of OP. Don't feed the troll. This is one of those threads where poster throws the grenade and runs and all that has happened is the anti vaxxers have come out spouting shite.

Anyone who has 3 children with autism, or even one child with autism, would be able to spell autism!

No, not exactly worried

I do know people with asd can live extremely fulfilled lives. i also know of many who do not. If I could avoid it as a condition, I would, put it that way.

we are not going to agree here.

we are not going to convince one another.

In the majority of cases, mumps and rubella are mild and harmless childhood diseases. And yet again, that ignores the herd immunity basis of vaccines.

You only gave a sarcastic response to another poster pointing out that your kids have a low RR because of herd immunity. Why?

And you also continue to refuse to acknowledge the risk your kids would pose to others. Why?

Mumps meningitis: 137 cases in one single small hospital over a ten year period prior to vaccination being introduced:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1648314/

In contrast:
“ In the UK between 1997 and 2003 there were a total of 130 reports of anaphylaxis following ALL immunisations, but all of these people survived. Around 117 million doses of vaccines were given in the UK during this period, making the overall rate around 1 in 900,000”

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/mmr-vaccine

we are not going to agree here. That's because one of you is so ill informed as to be scary!

Sometimes, the level of ignorance displayed by anti-vaxxers, and the willingness to believe any old shit on the internet/in the Daily Mail is breath-taking.

This is a favourite topic from the Russian troll factory, don’t feed it.

I just don't understand how this idea 'grew legs' in the first place.

I know some of the behaviours associated with autism can become more prominent around the age MMR is given.

But how can people think a physical act (i.e. being injected with a substance) would cause a behavioural condition? Impair someone's ability to communicate, and interact with others?

I don't understand this. Yes, in rare cases vaccines can have physical side effects? But behavioural....?

I hope that this is trolling.

Rather that than accepting that there are genuine people with views like grabbit that risk their children and everyone else.

Or who consider a dead child preferable to an autistic one.

of course it is not trolling

we have vastly different views, we are not going to agree ... that is not trolling!