Mmr and links to austim

[Michelle38wales]

Do you think there’s a link with mmr and austim, I’ve already 3 children with austim so not sure about my baby having it

A private company decided to offer them when the NHS withdrew as the GP who ran that private practice was annoyed that the NHS didn't want to let him offer it to parents who were then refusing to vaccinate and he thought vaccinating with singles was a better idea than not vaccinating at all

Thus perpetuating the myth that triple vaccine was the problem, and making a tidy profit at the same time.

My DS clearly had autism before the injection. Having said that, I wouldn’t judge anyone who decided not to vaccinate their child and I don’t think anyone else should either.

No I don't think so, all of ours had the MMR, DS1 is autistic with learning difficulties, DD is high functioning autistic (she only started showing signs after having encephalitis, so pretty certain that is what caused the autism with her) DS2 doesn't have autism. I think its more likely that autism is more recognised and diagnosed then years ago, then the MMR causing it... I don't think the actual number of people diagnosed has changed and that people before who had high functioning autism, were just seen as 'odd' and people with lower functioning autism were seen has having mental health issues.

I don't think so, my dd 11 had Autism signs before she had the vaccine. She was an Autistic baby really (hard to settle or to soothe, hated waiting for her milk or food, and hated loud noises, lack of eye contact, and screamed and screamed blue murder when we sung happy birthday to her and presented her with her cake on her 1st birthday )

@Yabbers you do know vaccines cost? Even the NHS has to pay for them

Would you prefer that he just left a huge proportion of kids unvaccinated or attempted to persuade them to still vaccinate if they couldn't be persuaded into using the MMR?

The people he was offering it to were happy to pay, he wasn't telling them not to vaccinate if they didn't want to

Only gullible idiots think there is a link. It lined Wakefield 's pockets for a bit until they got wise to him.

Instead of prison Andrew Wakefield moved to America and is now dating Elle McPherson! Strange world.

www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/large-study-provides-even-more-evidence-that-vaccines-have-nothing-to-do-with-autism/

www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/one-map-sums-damage-caused-anti-vaccination-movement/

the internet is a great servant but a bad master. It is full of wonderful pieces of information - but - you have to check the sources & biases & be aware that what someone promotes as truth or as the sole reason for an issue - they may have an axe to grind. OP whatever you decide about vaccinating your dc (& I hope you do :) ) don't let the false link between mmr & autism sway you -

For someone with 3 kids with autism you would think you would know how to spell it 🙄

Yes, there are a fair number of people in the US that seem to believe Wakefield still. I've seen it on FB here and there. I avoid the arguments, as I can't be bothered.

Absolutely not.
Measles can be a killer though. So vaccination is the safest way to protect your child

I think Wakefield is a grim exploitative human being but tbh I think he was just one piece of the problem...

Let's not forget Blair refused to say if he was using MMR for his kids

The Lancet printed it

And the daily mail ran a huge campaign

There was also a film that many celebs acted in at the time about it

The NHS then withdrew single vaccines without making it clear the reason they were doing so was a cost issue - MMR protects more kids faster so is cheaper to use and by not making that clear people believed there were safety issues with vaccines for them to be withdrawn in the first place

The vaccine patent Wakefield had wasn't ever a viable alternative for most children had his methods not been unethical and had he have actually had a point when he suggested more research was needed on the MMR

Paul offit has also benefited from the rotavirus vaccine financially. Financial benefit from inventing a vaccine isn't unique

you do know vaccines cost? Even the NHS has to pay for them
Sigh. Yes, the NHS pays for the MMR vaccine. You know who doesn’t pay directly? Patients. You know who doesn’t profit from someone having a vaccine on the NHS? Private medical practices.

So, when a whole bunch of parents decided to pay, private medical companies all had a new market they didn’t have before. And those parents decided to pay because private medical companies told them it was the answer to their prayers.

Anyone who wants to pay for private healthcare can and save the NHS a minute amount of money

Anyone who doesn't can use the NHS thankfully

I'd rather people were vaccinating than being backwards snobbish about those who choose to pay to have access to what a few months prior the NHS would have been prescribing to them

My kid wasn't eligible on the NHS for the menB vaccine, missed the cut off not by much. I could afford to pay for it at the time therefore I chose to. I'd much rather a private company gave me that choice than my kid didn't get it because a few months made the NHS say nope you can't have it

Gee, how awful to offer parents vaccines for their kid the NHS won't BECAUSE it can't afford it. The parent can, they choose to.

Mine haven't had the MMR.

I would have the measles jab as a single but not the MMR.

Why not grabbit ?

What information led you to that conclusion?

Digestive I was going to shout at you for the

No vaccine in the fifties when I was born. I'm autistic.
No vaccines in 1947 when Temple Grandin, one of the most well known Autistic women in the world was born, either.

There is no link with vaccination.
There is a correlation with prematurity and assumedly increased infants surviving at lower gestational is, in part, the reason for increased diagnosis.
There is strong correlation with prenatal stress.
There is a strong correlation with maternal age over 35 years.
Low birth weight, c-section and postpartum haemorrhage also showed a correlation.

Curious because mumps is generally a mild disease and rubella isn't harmful unless caught by a pregnant woman ... my children aren't pregnant!

Mumps is not a mild disease!!! And it can cause male sterility!!!

My children are girls. Mumps generally is a mild disease, with few exceptions.