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Aibu to be sick of doing it all and getting sh*t for it

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nc3005 · 30/10/2018 12:25

i need a rant so please bear with me.

What is with people (i.e. my “d”p) who refuse or don’t bother to make decisions, leaving the entire burden on you to do so (talking things like holiday planning, organising budgets, joint savings and other finances, meal planning, even what to do on the weekend) and then they get pissy after the fact (sometimes way after) because you - the one who is always left to actually make the decisions/book the tickets/pay the bills/etc or it won’t happen - are “controlling”, don’t let them have ansay etc.
For the record I used to be indecisive and I think I’m a massive people pleaser. I always feel like I need someone else to “approve” before I book something, etc. For a holiday in the recent past I spent ages researching all possible flights, hotels, itineraries, budgets- repeatedly put them in front of dp hoping he’d opine on what he liked. Always the same vague “they all look good”. It ended up costing about a third more because we had left it so late. It was an amazing holiday but he recently threw it back in a row that I’d “just picked all the hotels/etc I liked” and he hadn’t had a say. He also was presented with a list of about 100 wedding venues in a 2 hour radius of us so we could pick and set up viewings. Again, he picked none. We ended up visiting some, picked a gorgeous one that he really liked. Now it’s all “you took control of our wedding planning, I didn’t get a say”. All of this really feeds my anxiety/people pleasing and lose confidence to plan or suggest anything.

I do accounts for a living, we are now combining our finances and I have recently worked out all our upcoming regular and one off expenses and how much we could afford to save for a big purchase in the next 2 years. Have offered to take him through this spreadsheet several times to see if he agrees with the figures. He either is too tired or not engaged. We are as a result a month behind on our savings target as we have yet to transfer direct debits, get our joint account etc. Whenever I raise the joint savings etc he tells me to stop being controlling, he wants “his say” etc- but he has no interest in crunching the numbers with me. If he ever does take an interest he seems happy and he never disagrees, but will throw back in arguments that I’m controlling everything.

For me, it feels like I can’t win. He is either passive aggressively refusing to engage because he disagrees, or he feels guilty that he never does anything, or he resents being so dependent on me to do the heavy lifting. Or all of the above. I keep asking for input, getting nothing, then down the line getting shit for having made the decisions. Might I add that he generally finds women in charge annoying - his SIL and Mum are “nags”, any assertive woman on tv is “annoying”, etc. His mum advised me to “let him think he’s in charge, men like it”. What is it - the 1950s?!?

I’ve half a mind to stop planning our jointly-wanted nice holiday next year until the next time he brings it up. By which time the prices will no doubt have skyrocketed.

Aibu?!?

OP posts:
dontalltalkatonce · 31/10/2018 14:25

He walked out a few weeks ago to bring me to heel.said the rows etc were “destroying him” I panicked and begged him to stay but tbh now I’m out of the hysterical bonding mode I realise the only time he ever gets angry and only time we really ever row is because I’ve challenged him on something and he literally cannot believe it.

You do realise how manipulative is, don't you? Of course you do. You're an intelligent person. So here, I'll tell you this very clearly: this man will become emotionally abusive if you stay with him. He will gaslight you and manipulate you until he's so broken you down and worn you down you truly believe you are this awful person who's controlling and bossy. He's a sexist, manipulative, immature arse. He is not interested in a partnership. He's interested in control.

You need to stop this. YOU need to. He won't. This is not a loving, healthy, mature, equal partner relationship. You remain at your own peril.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 31/10/2018 14:26

PS I spent 5 years with someobe like this.... He was desperate to marry me... I resisted... I just cohdktb9see him as a decent husband or father...

It was bone crushingly exhausting being in his company, and destroyed my confidence...

I see, now... He was attracted to my liveliness /fun.... But then just leached off me, sucking the energy ... All those fun things have to be thought about (mostly)... He felt a failure... So it was so much easier to destroy me and my confidence by blaming me for absolutely everything (so he could no longer feel a failure... As it was MY fault as I was responsible for everything he could criticise relentlessly ...

The final point? When I had suggested, bought and prepared a luxury picnic at a local ish beauty spot... He had a complete strop (stalking off and screaming at me) as Id forgotten the cheese knifeConfused and actually je hadn't really wanted ot come as the sun was at the wrong angle and he wanted to clean out his car.... Yes, really... It was at that point I just thought... I just don't give a fuck about your blame, lies or gaslighting... I left within 48 hours...

ferntwist · 31/10/2018 14:32

So many red flags here OP. I didn’t realise you weren’t married yet. It really shouldn’t be this hard or punishing for you. I was in a relationship as difficult as this once, stayed for far too long as I genuinely thought I wouldn’t meet anyone better. I finally got out and met my wonderful husband that month.

Merryoldgoat · 31/10/2018 14:41

It sounds like you aren’t married yet, thank fuck!

Dump him today and you can have a lovely weekend free of his shit.

There is no reason to stay with someone who makes you miserable.

Anniegetyourgun · 31/10/2018 14:54

Easy way to keep the peace with him is just agree always and never ask him for anything

You're seriously not only signing up for a lifetime of this, but actively doing all the planning for it because he won't, knowing perfectly well that he won't thank you for it either? As a people pleaser you ought to be hanging out with people who allow themselves to be pleased. You know your best efforts will never please this miserable git. And yet you're walking into a marriage with your eyes wide open, knowing it's going to be a crock of shit. Knowing it. Seeing what he's doing to you, understanding it for what it is, but still playing along. Why do this to yourself?!

Ceilingrose · 31/10/2018 16:07

Don't marry him unless you want an unhappy life. He will not change. Is that good enough for you?

Ceilingrose · 31/10/2018 16:10

And he no respect for your contribution and no sense of responsibility himself. Marriage would be pure drudgery, and with blame for it to boot.

PabloTescobar · 31/10/2018 16:14

The manipulation he's doing on you is called a double bind. He's managing to make it look as though he's not controlling because he's not making any of the choices, right? You have the choices. But it's Hobson's choice because whatever you choose, you lose! You literally CANNOT win. He is firmly in control whilst making himself out to be a victim.

CurbsideProphet · 31/10/2018 16:16

OP I feel stressed just reading your posts. Remember that you don't have to live on these eggshells. It's ok to want a happy and loving partnership. It's more than ok!

GreenTulips · 31/10/2018 16:16

My husband was a boy like this

So the last house move - he did all the leg work and got very stressed!
Last holiday he spent hours looking and eventually booked then panicked!!

I let him do all the work so he knew what went into basic planning and arranging

Funnily enough he doesn't moan anymore!!

Havaina · 31/10/2018 16:27

OP, no matter how much money has been spent on this big lavish wedding so far, it's not worth being married to someone like this. It will change your whole persona and will turn you into a shadow of who you were.

LakieLady · 31/10/2018 16:31

Marriage is a partnership OP ,much like anything else..Would you form a business with him?

What a great question! I've just asked myself the same question about my DP, and the answer is a resounding yes.

He doesn't get involved in researching holidays etc, but he certainly wouldn't gripe about choices I make on behalf of us both. He's just glad I do it.

HeebieJeebies456 · 31/10/2018 17:01

you must be very desperate and needy to keep allowing yourself to be treated like a doormat.

he is loving, supportive, generous financially and does his share round the house
So you're believing the bullshit narrative you've been telling everyone?
the reality of his actions is the complete opposite I feel unheard, frustrated and unsure who I’m doing all this for anymore

he wants a replacement mummy figure who will look after his needs and wants and organise his life by taking on all the mental load.

he views your worth to be that of a dog He walked out a few weeks ago to bring me to heel , and all this manipulative gaslighting he's doing is to train you into being his obediant skivvy.

he's abusive, always has been and will only get worse the more you stand up to him.
you'd be a fool to shackle yourself to this pathetic excuse for a man.

nc3005 · 31/10/2018 20:43

Tonight was a typical example of how things go.
He got a smart tv gadget. Chose three different occasions while I was watching tv to mess with it (pausing, rewinding etc.) I (lightheartedly) was like “heyyy, I’m watching!”
His response: (rudely) oh for gods sake calm down. It was only a few seconds
A minute or so later I’m like “I didn’t like how you told me to calm down. I wasn’t having a go. It just was annoying while I was watching tv.”
Cue a rant from him that I “deliberately ruin” anything fun for him, i was having a go, i always watch tv so what was the issue, he paid for the gadget so he should get to use it, he “didn’t want” to engage with me, he’s not being defensive he’s just sick of me trying to ruin everything for him. He then stormed off while I was bewildered trying to diffuse the situation. Has now not spoken to me for 2 hours, now no longer wants to order pizza for dinner, has left all the chores that need doing to me.
All because in the midst of a relatively nice evening I mildly said “heyyy I was watching that!”
I am like wtf?!? I always get so anxious during those confrontations as it happens so easily and it triggers off all sorts, scuppers evenings/plans... I feel like it was easily avoided if I didn’t say anything when he was messing with the tv but.. he could’ve just messed with it anytime it wasn’t being watched?
Gahh

OP posts:
TheABC · 31/10/2018 20:52

I have just read your latest update, OP. It's not normal. If DH had done that to me, he would have apologised or gently ribbed me about my viewing choice whilst putting the gadget down.

Please get out of this relationship. He is not going to change. You are signing up to a lifetime of this shit. He cannot bear to ever be challenged.

PabloTescobar · 31/10/2018 21:00

OP, you do KNOW that it's not you, it's him, right?

Shoxfordian · 31/10/2018 21:07

Life is just too short for his shit op

MothertotheLordsofmisrule · 31/10/2018 21:08

Do not marry him.
Just no.

Merryoldgoat · 31/10/2018 21:09

Why are you still there?

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 31/10/2018 21:13

... OK... So op if this was your best pal telling you this, and she wanted your counsel... What would you advise...??

If she asked whether she should continue a relationship... Or marry him??

tallwivglasses · 31/10/2018 21:19

Oh please OP get the fuck out x

redexpat · 31/10/2018 21:45

Thats not normal. Whose name is the house in? Rented or owned? Pack up your stuff and leave. You're good at organising and planning so plan for yourself.

nc3005 · 31/10/2018 21:46

I don’t know. Maybe on some level I do think it’s me. Maybe I am hard to live with, too outspoken, maybe I should pick my battles. I kind of knew there was a possibility of him reacting like that if I spoke up about the tv but even when it happened I was like ?!?! Because it was so innocuous and he/his accusations were so angry. When I came over after a good couple hours sulking and asked if he was ok, got short shrift, he told me he no longer wanted pizza as he “felt shit” that I’d had a go at him. He told me that I’d “told him off” and I won’t “admit it and apologise”, that I always tell him how to be, but then when I panicked and got upset he was even more angry and asked why I was making such a big deal of it, he was ready to move on. Meanwhile I’d been getting so anxious while he was sulking and he couldn’t see that I needed reassurance if everything really was ok. He’s now told me I am dragging this out way too much and has gone off to have a bath so he can relax. Meanwhile I’m a nervous wreck over here! I think I partly feel so upset because of this thread and the fairly rapid realisation that this relationship that I thought was my forever relationship is actually not what it seems and I am being pushed around by someone who has no problem with gaslighting me. I feel panicked about whether he will threaten to leave again even though I know my comment about the tv wasn’t this big a deal, and I also know I wasn’t “telling him off”. To him anyone calling him out on anything is a red rag. It feels like that could be a long life.
He’s left me wondering- do I really “subconsciously” (his words) set out to ruin his enjoyment of things?! I know I spend most of my time trying to make him happy and our lives good. I know I want him to enjoy things. I facilitate his happiness whenever and however can, I celebrate his achievements and goals. But I’m not an automaton. Sometimes I can’t hold in what I’m thinking. And then I’m accused of being this unloving partner who hurts him deliberately. But I KNOW I dont. I feel so confused, embarrassed at myself for gettjng upset tonight, angry at myself for caring so much and having apparently zero backbone.

OP posts:
Miggeldy · 31/10/2018 21:49

Please don't marry him. You must break up with him.

redexpat · 31/10/2018 21:52

Well now you've woken up to the realisation that this isnt your forever relationship. Better now than after the wedding. He doesnt care about your needs (reassurance) or wants (to watch tv uninterupted) and tells you that your version of events is wrong. He is gaslighting you.

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