To think that the fat you eat is the fat you wear?

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New study finds that fat consumption is the only cause of weight gain

medicalxpress.com/news/2018-07-fat-consumption-weight-gain.html

I know carbs are the villain at the moment, but it's only a matter of time before fat is the villain again.

I am on a low-fat diet and am sticking to that, I think, even though I am unfashionable. For the moment!

Noone has said its weird have they? It definitely works, I've done it. It just didn't feel natural to me, even after 3 months. I really love porridge, really rough organic wholemeal bread, brown rice and a slice of homemade cake every now and again. I don't want to have to eat in a way that means I can never have those things and the keto rules mean you can literally never have those kind of carbs.

But @Plessis - that's absolutely fine! If it works for you, and you feel better on it, then go for it.

It doesn't matter how evangelical I (or others) might be about LCHF, the way you eat has to work for you. And that's not just about weight loss, or long-term health, it's also - and critically - about enjoyment and therefore a sustainable way of eating.

Not weird. Definitely works. Not for me.

I also hope to god that they never recommend it as a WOE for the general public for all the reasons I’ve already stated.

BIWI, YY, I’m sure you noticed that I said without experience and guidance people would go bananas and eat all the cows on Atkins. I don’t necessarily think the point of the Atkins diet is to eat lots of beef.

Oh and @Plessis I can't believe you're being celeriacist! It's a fabulous vegetable.

I’d say pasta is absolute crap. Has no nutritional value in any way.

Not quite true.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasta

Scroll down to read the nutritional value.

Lol BIWI I did try. I don't like potatoes either and celeriac was just like a slightly lemony potato

The original Atkins was all about putting away as much steak, butter, cream as you wanted. I've read the old book. I am not sure if that's been modified since the 70s? Suspect it has as Atkins has a range of processed stuff out which I think is quite carby in some cases.

In the original book, Atkins also insisted that people restrict the amount of cheese they ate to 3-4oz per day. And he also made it clear that the 20g of carbs that you had came from vegetables and salad.

But yes, in a high carb diet you can eat steak and butter, as much as you like. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, as long as you're also eating the other important nutrients - as above. Cream is a different matter, because some people are intolerant.

Atkins is a pretty good way of understanding your carb tolerance, which I think is being articulated here. Some people do seem to be able to tolerate carbs more than others. The diet plan essentially goes strict for stage one and then goes through 3 more phases so you find your own natural tolerance level for long term maintenance, it is absolutely not about very very low carbs forever, if you can maintain your weight with reintroduction of some healthy carbs.

uk.atkins.com/why-atkins/the-phases/

Re pasta, I’d compare that to celeriac and pasta has very few micro nutrients in a gram to gram comparison, whereas celeriac has b12, potassium and onbviously also is very low in sugar/starch. I’d rather have celeriac than pasta if I’m trying to eat well

You can have both!

But I wouldn’t, because the final point on pasta is the high starch value and that is it’s main purpose, which then changes the whole composition of my energy source for no other nutritional value

@WhyDidIEatThat

You can't if you're a low carber!

I love celeriac. @BIWI could you point me to this boot camp.
Would really love to shift for good to the dark side!
I'm a natural low carber but could do with getting rid of the occasional bread and doughnut lapses!

Here you go!

We're coming to the end of week 3 (of 10) but you're welcome to join. Click on the link to the spreadsheet in the OP and you'll find Bootcamp rules (as well as a whole load of other resources) on the tabs at the bottom.

Someone earlier mentioned my low cholesterol score – it's always been that low, round the 2 mark, nothing to do with when it was tested.

WW2? Certainly a lot of veg was eaten because of the encouragement to grow your own food – allotments and back garden stuff - but rationing meant everyone ate their bacon, butter and cheese allowance. Vegetarians had extra cheese and butter. Nothing was wasted! Bakers were only allowed to sell day old bread, fresh bread was too tempting! The diet was balanced (designed to be) and matches a lot of modern day thinking.

Apart from sugar. That was rationed in the war too, Eselstyn's restrictive diet, similar to McDougall's is vegan but also no sugar nor fructose, perhaps it was the lack of sugar in Denmark and Norway's population.

Now sugar consumption is high so is the lack of sugar that gives the results in those research papers?

Before the war, deaths from infections were high, but declined rapidly because of new drugs; that makes comparison difficult.

Being vegan may not be healthy for everyone – Barry Gibb and Donny(?) of the Monkees for example, died young. As did Steve Jobs, though he was a fruitarian.

Enjoying the thread.

doughnutbits interesting post, thank you.

I think the WW2 stuff is fascinating and I think what also contributed to better health was simply the restrictions placed on everything. We don't really need to eat that much food in reality, but it's damned hard not to sometimes. I think the fact that in WW2 people just couldn't overeat helped enormously.

Yes. Overeating is very widespread. From snacking to the insistence of three meals a day to ever increasing portion size. To be fair it was probably cutting down on overeating that was the biggest contributor to me losing weight but I found this easier to do by cutting out one meal, not snacking (thus taking out a shed load of carbs) and taking out the carb element of the main meals.

(the meal I cut out being carb laden breakfast).
I don't go about deliberately adding fats to things though. I just use full fat versions of everything.

And thanks for the link @BIWI

Someone earlier mentioned my low cholesterol score – it's always been that low, round the 2 mark, nothing to do with when it was tested.

So why do they keep testing?

Thank you customerservice, and 70 odd years on from the end of the war still I don't snack between meals. Agree we eat too much.

Dungeon not sure why you think 'they' keep testing, but at a certain age you're given a complete health check, when you turn up in A&E dehydrated they check your bloods, when your surgery thinks you're having a heart attack (I wasn't) A&E check your bloods, etc., etc.

And, more importantly, we have a sensible GP who is aware that age may bring metabolic changes so worth checking bloods when new conditions occur.

Think cholesterol's been checked five times in my life – a couple of those checks were at least five years apart.

I’ve never eaten high fat, low carb because I’ve been vegetarian years. I’m now vegan. Either way, I’ve never been in a diet and never been overweight.
I don’t eat loads of white carbs. It’s sll common sense really. Vegan and veggie diets can be really unhealthy when done wrong. But can be really healthy when you get it right.
I’ll never know how eating a high fat high protein diet is good for your body but am prepared to be corrected

I’ll never know how eating a high fat high protein diet is good for your body but am prepared to be corrected

I’ll bite!

There is a doctor in Southport called Dr david unwin who has been using lchf as a ‘prescription’ and is saving massive amounts of money but also reversing illness in patients.

It’s really interesting to see his work. You just can’t argue with it because it is successful. For people who aren’t actually ill yet from the excessive carbs they eat, there are other markers to our health that may indicate you can get more healthy by paying attention to our carb intake.

The diet has had the following health benefits for me:
No more bleeding gums when cleaning teeth (the diet reduces inflammation in your body)
No more PMT (regulates hormones)
Less stress responsive - I’m much calmer
Fatigue much lower so procrastination has decreased
Can run faster and for longer
Haven’t taken a day time nap since starting it and I used to nod off all the time

I’d really recommend you looking at his work. He’s a GP, and he’s not struck off...far from it!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=RFd_O42J_JM

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www.otsnews.co.uk/southport-gp-says-low-carb-approach-shaking-healthcare-profession/

That video is quite bad quality here’s another

m.youtube.com/watch?v=KxbWw5jwzHs

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