To think that the fat you eat is the fat you wear?

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New study finds that fat consumption is the only cause of weight gain

medicalxpress.com/news/2018-07-fat-consumption-weight-gain.html

I know carbs are the villain at the moment, but it's only a matter of time before fat is the villain again.

I am on a low-fat diet and am sticking to that, I think, even though I am unfashionable. For the moment!

The ONLY cause of weight gain is an intake-output imbalance. You eat more than you burn, you gain weight. End of.

YES Goldilocks. All else is nonsense

Surely modern day people,should know what is good and bad food for a body. You should never need to read about,or take any notice,of these so called food experts. This diet,that diet,so many of them, and people don't feel any better usually.

I am glad that I came from an era,where food was a bit scarce. and there was no junk food around, and was always slim and healthy..

I used to work in a big supermarket years ago,, and I would have loved to have had the supermarket all to myself one day,,and just gone around, removing all the junk stuff off the shelves, and just leaving all the basic food stuffs there.

Most grain production globally is used to feed cattle, not humans.

Indeed, something that the meat environmentalists fail to mention. Never mind the fact that cattle aren’t designed to eat grain

I was on a low carb, higher protein and fat diet during my last pregnancy recently and am healthier than I was probably before my first pregnancy and my body weight is much much better now. I am not ever going to have my pre-pregnancy body but going from being 11 stone in my last pregnancy to 9st now days everything about a low carb diet.

Carbs are not totally bad for you - we need some in our diet - and fat is most certainly not the enemy either. Everything in moderation.

*says not ‘days’! 🙄

You might want to watch a documentary called "That Sugar Film"

Aussie dude, healthy eating, not superfit type, just normal fit, decided to follow a diet high in sugar, but still "healthy" for 60 days. Ate 170 g of carbs, the equivalent of 40tsp sugar daily, in stuff like smoothies, processed food, low fat food, etc.. Pretty much did a swap from healthy fats in his diet for products with obvious and hidden sugar.
He ate the same amount of calories as before (2300), but gained 8.5kg and increased body fat percentage by 7%
Waist increased by 10cm.
Liver function deteriorated, gained a fatty liver, triglyceride up to 1.5 from .5
Puffy eyes, general change in mood, and really didn't feel great.
In 60 days...
Certainly for him, sugar/carbs not a good way of taking those 2300 calories..

The ONLY cause of weight gain is an intake-output imbalance. You eat more than you burn, you gain weight. End of.

There is some evidence that this is not the case.
In addition, there is some evidence that some methods of weight loss are more effective than others.
So I will choose to look at that evidence and use it to make decisions about what works for me.

Most grain production globally is used to feed cattle, not humans.

Indeed, something that the meat environmentalists fail to mention. Never mind the fact that cattle aren’t designed to eat grain

What? Surely you see this isn’t an argument for eating more beef and less grain? The resources required to produce beef and dairy when we could just be eating far smaller quantities of the same grain. And if we didn’t OVEREAT it there’d be plenty for everyone and we wouldn’t be fat.

I think you misunderstand what happens on LCHF - hunger reduces, people don't eat more, they usually eat less. As said many times, its really hard to overeat.

That might be true for people who do it ‘properly’ and I’ve already said that if you do it in such a way that meat and dairy consumption are not increased, then of course I have no issue with it. BUT so many people take on this WOE and do not do it properly or can’t stick to it. Cue buying loads of meat and cheese which then doesn’t get eaten in their fridges. Food waste and overconsumption (as it has been bought even though it hasn’t actually been consumed). How many people on the bootcamp threads on here last the whole ten weeks or whatever it is? And how many of them keep dipping in and out of low carb, never actually achieving what you have mooncup?

This is my problem with the diet being promoted as a panacea. We don’t follow dietary guidelines properly as a species. So telling people to have unlimited animal fats sits badly with me. I predict if the government did that, many people would say “great, loads of butter and steak for me! What, no chips? Oh a few won’t hurt” and then the whole “loss of hunger” thing won’t happen.

No problem with those who manage this way of eating who genuinely don’t overconsume meat and dairy. But I think they are few and far between. Even some of the famlis LCHF bloggers post a lot of meals which are very meat and dairy heavy. “Oh look at this guy’s - cauliflower mash with 300g cheese and 6 rasher of bacon through it” AS A SIDE DISH to chicken or steak.

*famous LCHF bloggers

I get you but I look at the carb heavy food we eat and can’t get away from the fact the destruction to the planet is higher than a steak with a load of veg in butter/ cheese

The packaging
The flying of ingredients from across the world
The sheer volume of it
The cost of Production of these foods- pollution, eye sores on our land

Raising a cow and some veg seems much simpler doesn’t it?

*guys

I’m on my phone sorry.

No, gram for gram, meat and dairy produces many times more carbon than plants do.

You’re right, if we had a small population and raised small numbers of animals in harmony with the land, that would be completely fine and definitely preferable to flying in quinoa and avocados from South America. I avoid products like this completely.

It’s possible to be a responsible LCHFer, but I think these are few and far between. Good for you if you’re one of them.

But the promotion of a diet where you have to restrict carrots and tomatoes but have unlimited beef is like a red flag to a greedy, western bull. And I’ll lose weight you say? Fabulous. A lot of people aren’t as responsible as you mooncup and a selfish, irresponsible LCHFer is a dangerous creature for the planet imo .

So let’s not create any (selfish, irresponsible LCHFers).

Having bashed away at low fat calorie counting for years since DC, feeling deprived and miserable, struggling to shift any significant weight at all, I went LCHF (low carb high fat) in Jan this year, and watched with disbelief as the weight just melted away. I lost the 2 st I was aiming to lose by the spring with what felt like no effort at all, and now (almost the biggest surprise of all) am maintaining without even trying, although I have reintroduced every type of carb, just in sensible amounts. So no, the fat I have been consuming (a great deal, but importantly not in combination with any carbs) is not sticking.

7 days is not enough time!! Clinical trials usually need at least 12 weeks to obtain meaningful results. Lipid measures for cholesterol and HbA1c for diabetes need around 12 weeks to measure. There will be other measures but these are important to cardiolovascular and metabolic risk calculations. I think just stick to a balanced diet. There willl always be contradictory studies with scientists trying to make a name for themselves.

Weight loss is simple, calorie deficit. You want to burn more calories than you eat. Doesn’t really matter where the calories come from although thinking about increasing protein is a good help, but really it’s about eating less and moving more!

People like LCHF because they can eat as much as they want. We are supposed to get hungry between meals, not cut out a food group so we can gorge on the rest. It's what drove us to hunt and gather, that hunger drive.

It's like exercise - people doing stupid amounts in the gym, knackering their joints so they can eat loads of calories. What on earth will they do when the cannot do all that exercise later on? Just put on weight presumably, because they never learned self-control.

I eat a pretty high fat diet (mostly good fats but also lots of cheese, butter etc). I also don't overeat, eat lots of veg and get lots of exercise. By eating this way I either maintain my weight or lose it. I've tried cutting out/reducing fat in the past and it makes me very hungry. I can't do it long term.

The reason I like LCHF is because I can eat the things I like not so I can stuff my face. I love cheese, I like having a cooked breakfast and cream in my coffee and losing weight while I'm having those things. I'd rather have mayo on my salad and butter on my veg than carbs any time.

I sort of follow keto.I did it for two weeks properly lost the weight i wanted then began to have cheat days.My weight after cheat days may go up a couple of pounds but then goes back down quite quickly.I feel better on a lower carb lower sugar diet so for me its good.I personally find im never hungry whereas on other diets i have been hungry and i dont then stick to it.I emphasise this works for me but its a personal thing

faery I think we are all in agreement. The amount of land set aside to feed cattle for human consumption is huge and unsustainable. Eating less meat and dairy and more plant based diets would leave more land for human food production. There was someone in the radio yesterday who had to set aside 150 acres of land to grow oats to feed 90 cows. When I did lchf, the only way I could get 50% fat in my diet was to eat heaps of fatty meat and meat products. A tablespoon of olive oil and chicken skin didn't touch the sides. I did love it but I did exactly what pp said. Gave up with a fridge full of high fat foods that I don't actually like. It's incredibly difficult to get to the stage people on here are talking about for many people. Especially on a limited budget, time and families.

I have low cholesterol, about 2.3 when last tested. Why? No idea. Not a vegan; have butter, cheese, eggs, meat and so on, though little milk. Also have low salt levels, why? No idea, even finished up in A&E once because of it.

I've been reading Professor Tim Spector's book, the Diet Myth. He tells a simple story against himself.

At the end of the his medical studies he wrote an academic paper linking coffee drinking with certain cancers. It did wonders for his CV and apparently got him a Research post and much success.

Years later he realised the increase in cancers also correlated with increased sales of flared trousers and TV's. The mantra in all research is, 'correlation is not causation'. One of the joys of threads like this are that there's always a piece of research that says the opposite.

Spector, by the way, would attribute my low cholesterol to genes or bacteria.

For those of you who are busy, no need to read further as I've made my point.

Being 80 and more time on my hands than most of you I checked the McDougall research paper posted early on in this thread by OP. McDougall is an American Vegan MD.

The paper describes an uncontrolled study and therefore cannot be certain its conclusions can be translated for wider use.

Diet by participants before the trial is not described but if they were eating the stereotypical US food then it's not surprising that any reduction in just the amount of food. would make a difference.

This trial, and a similar one by Eselstyn, make no mention of other parts of their lifestyles, smoking, drinking and alcohol or exercise for example.

Also, I checked one of the references – war time in Denmark. There are similar papers for Norway, oft quoted by vegans.

Certainly, all occupied countries, as well as UK, suffered food deprivation particularly in terms of Germans exporting meat products to their home country. Recorded diseases went down but we have no way of knowing how far food consumption was effected. In Norway fish consumption went up by 200%, meat down by 60%. I'm tempted to conclude it was fish, not plants that reduced some diseases.

The Denmark paper is actually based on Copenhagen, not the whole country; the world over large cities suffer at times of food shortages far more than the countryside. I was born in London, moved to the countryside 1965 and was shocked at how much people boasted about the black market in food during the war. City experience may not be relevant.

I believe the general consensus is UK citizens were generally healthier during the war, despite bacon and eggs.

Oh, if you like dark chocolate and red wine, Spector is on your side.

It really isn't difficult at all, if it was I'd never have managed it. Nothing could be easier than a plate of cold meat and cheese and a few olives, it takes less than five minutes to sort that out.