To think that the fat you eat is the fat you wear?

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New study finds that fat consumption is the only cause of weight gain

medicalxpress.com/news/2018-07-fat-consumption-weight-gain.html

I know carbs are the villain at the moment, but it's only a matter of time before fat is the villain again.

I am on a low-fat diet and am sticking to that, I think, even though I am unfashionable. For the moment!

I’m usually LCHF (stopped for pg) and my cholesterol is low and risk of h.a low. But the old Atkins message sounds just that, old and out of date.

Less endless steak and more balanced with other protein and much more veg. So I’d be happy if that message would get out, although there are barriers. It’s expensive for a start.

I have low cholesterol, about 2.3 when last tested. Why? No idea. Not a vegan; have butter, cheese, eggs, meat and so on, though little milk.

Perhaps you don't eat much compared with some people or perhaps you just didn't have much the night before you were tested. It goes up and down according to what you have recently eaten.

marsha, you sound like another responsible LCHFer.

I think that message is sort of getting out in the form of the Mediterranean diet. Carbs like pulses and whole grains are included but not sugar or white shite. And healthy plant fats are included too.

Atkins worries me. Not for the health of the humans partaking either.

Thanks Faery I do agree with you about Atkins in particular.

I don’t know the stats but wonder if Atkins plummeted after about a decade. I think it’s tried to reinvent itself somewhat as the original pile em high with bacon, eggs and steak and cream was questioned after a time.

Unrelated, but have just thought about it some more, there are a couple of things that spring up on here and in rl that reinforce an obesigenic culture. The work place and constant cakes etc and the idea that eating sugar is a sign of being fun-loving. Other stuff too I’m sure.

So true. Controversial, but I think the odd glass of red wine is a healthier treat. But so many disagree and stuff sweets down them “but I never touch alcohol”.

"But the promotion of a diet where you have to restrict carrots and tomatoes but have unlimited beef is like a red flag to a greedy, western bull."

WithAFaeryHandinHand I totally agree with this statement.

Back in 2014, I was 1.5 stone overweight due to medication causing metabolic imbalance, despite a healthy diet and working out. I tried the Bootcamp approach that I'd seen on MN. I lasted a week. Yes, I lost 5lbs that first week but my god I have never craved fruit & veg more. I felt so sick from the cream, butter, meat etc Vile. I was utterly miserable and it honestly made no sense to me whatsoever.

I did more research and switched to a far better WOE which includes plenty of healthy fats - avocados, nuts etc, veg & fruit, lean protein (mostly vegetarian for me), low carb but not no carb and pretty much zero dairy. I not only lost weight but I kept it off. I very rarely get coughs, colds etc. I never feel restricted - I eat 3 meals a day and 2 snacks (mid morning, mid afternoon). I never get that super hungry low-sugar feeling either.

What I found though is that we are so out of touch with our own bodies and nutritional needs that it took a good deal of research for me to discover & totally understand this WOE. I think all too often we look for a quick fix and the truth is there isn't one. I find the whole concept of dieting & the industry around it utterly depressing. The constant calorie counting; the buzz over the latest thing (cayenne pepper, Atkins, low fat etc etc). I find it interesting that someone mentioned earlier upthread that we were healthier as a nation during WW2. That doesn't surprise me. Look at the sheer volume of food we consume now. The average portion sizes are ridiculous. That alone would be a good place to start, particularly in a world where 11% of the world's population is starving and yet we have a massive obesity problem in this country which not only threatens individuals' health but places excessive strain on the NHS as a result.

Dr Atkins did not look a well man. A terrible advert for his diet IMO.

Rosemary Conley, (low-fat) however, looks fucking fantastic. She was on that dancing show a while back. Her figure! Her energy!

Her boring, joyless diet.

Cattle are NOT meant to eat grains. There are plenty of regions where grass is available for feeding cattle. These regions are often not suitable for agricultural crops. Mixed farming with it's greater species diversity and soil protection is better for the environment than endless monocrops (most of which can only be grown with the massive input of petrochemical products).

Read 'The Vegetarian Myth' by Lierre Keith.

Or look up Peter Ballerstedt an Agricultural Forage agronomist who talks on local, sustainable animal production systems.

I suppose it depends on what you think of as joyless. I found constant eggs for breakfast puke making on lchf.

www.thesun.co.uk/living/2599522/rosemary-conley-diet-safe-restricted/

Doesn't look joyless to me. She eats everything except stuff loaded with fat. She eats lean meat and fish. Plus, she's maintaining not actively looking to lose weight herself.

Low fat naturally cuts out most biscuits, cake and chocolate too, so it's not as heavy on sugar as people imagine.

Low fat is fine! Porridge with skimmed milk and bluebs, tuna salad with a bit of olive oil, fruit. Chicken and lots of veg. All good.

I honestly believe like other PPs have said (admittedly, I haven’t read the whole thread) that any diet which promotes balance and doesn’t insist that you exclude a food group (ATKINS 😡) will be sustainable

I’m usually LCHF (stopped for pg) and my cholesterol is low and risk of h.a low. But the old Atkins message sounds just that, old and out of date.

I don’t know the stats but wonder if Atkins plummeted after about a decade. I think it’s tried to reinvent itself somewhat as the original pile em high with bacon, eggs and steak and cream was questioned after a time.

Less endless steak and more balanced with other protein and much more veg. So I’d be happy if that message would get out, although there are barriers

It really, really irritates me when people talk like this without knowing anything about the actual Atkins diet.

He did not advocate a diet based on bacon and cream. He also counselled that you should restrict the amount of cheese you ate daily, and that the 20g carbs (which was only for the induction phase of the diet) should come mainly from vegetables and salad.

And as for 'he didn't look a well man' WTAF does that mean?!

@WithAFaeryHandInHand you're right about people not doing the full 10 weeks of Bootcamp - lots of people drop out quickly because they don't or won't commit - and in part that's because it's hard to do. The world isn't made for low carb eating quite yet - look at every place on the high street where we can eat/drink/snack - it's all high carb: sandwiches, muffins, cakes, pizza, etc.

But I'd argue that compliance with any diet is probably the same - people want to miraculously lose a stone in a week and give up too easily.

I'd also argue that you have some friends who need to know more about what a LCHF diet entails!

I did the bootcamp. I lost about 10lbs and put it all on again plus more. I know it works but the idea of starting again makes me feel ill.

That’s true BIWI, but the point is, when people dip in and out of LCHF without really ‘getting’ it, as I think most people don’t, it results in a lot of excessive consumption / purchasing of meat and dairy, without even getting the health benefits you probably enjoy as a long term low carber. That’s not true of other failed diets.

Oh fgs!

We all need macronutrients; we all need protein, carbs and fat. We all need micronutrients. We all need water.

We all have very different bodies to each other and what one body responds to well will not work so well with another body.

The trick is finding what works for you and not shouting at people how your way is better than others (OP is not doing this, merely creating interesting discussion but these threads always devolve into people mocking others for advice that comes from a good place and works for them).

Just be sensible and find what works for you.

I’m not really fussed about what the Atkins diet really is about as it’s not something I need to read about to eat LCHF

But 'excessive' is your view. And how do you know that?!

I don't think it's true either - I think people go back to their carb-heavy way of eating, so back to pasta and rice-based meals.

But I don't know that any more than you do.

And it has been misconstrued that’s it’s own problem.

It’s perfectly possible to eat LCHF without ever lining the pockets of a Dr / celebrity

Its

It’s just a brand like any other to sell books

I tried the Bootcamp approach that I'd seen on MN. I lasted a week. Yes, I lost 5lbs that first week but my god I have never craved fruit & veg more.

You are supposed to eat loads of veg on low carb boot camp aren't you?

I have been on keto diet for 4 months. I am really bad at dieting usually but this time it has been easier. I have found some spagetti made out of soya beans so can have spag bol, can have chicken in cheese sauce and steak or salmon cooked in butter. I can have salad, peas, cauliflower cheese and carrots (even though some carbs) and porky scratchings instead of crisps so all good. I have bags more energy and lost 8kg. Low carbs has worked for me where as calories or low fat has never worked.

I agree with the above, anyone who does low carb and doesn’t understand they will feel like shit for at least a week while their body gets used to not having instant glucose from carbs really has just followed it as a ‘fad’