To think that the fat you eat is the fat you wear?

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New study finds that fat consumption is the only cause of weight gain

medicalxpress.com/news/2018-07-fat-consumption-weight-gain.html

I know carbs are the villain at the moment, but it's only a matter of time before fat is the villain again.

I am on a low-fat diet and am sticking to that, I think, even though I am unfashionable. For the moment!

I have started cutting carbs again and upping fat again (not Bootcamp though, there is no way I would be able to sustain that for any amount of time).

My problem with carbs is the sheer amount I put away. I can't just have a small portion of pasta, or just one slice of bread, I just can't stop! Lowering carbs also means I have to think about what I'm eating a bit more and I'm also less likely to cheat than if just calorie counting, because having upped the fat I know that if I cheat with the carbs as well it will be disastrous!

That’s exactly it, people evangelical about this way of eating have generally only been doing it a few months. It’s unusual to find someone who has been doing it a few years, and they consider themselves a long timer. No one stays on it for 10,20,40 years.

It’s a woe for me rather than a diet so long term. You do need to eat the extra veg though and fish. Well I do.

Lots of people do keto long term. But it depends on your motivations, if you simply use it for weight loss, often people slip back into the way they were before.

I don’t use it for weight loss

The benefits are way beyond weight loss.

My problem with carbs is the sheer amount I put away. I can't just have a small portion of pasta, or just one slice of bread, I just can't stop!

I used to be like that. Had to work really hard on willpower, hypnosis mp3). That way, I can enjoy a bread roll and not eat the lot. Never thought I could once upon a time. Take control of your appetite. It can be done.

By long term you don’t mean lifetime . You mean they’ve been doing it a few years.

I find it sustainable but I did stop for pg and modify it now for bfding

Aussie dude, healthy eating, not superfit type, just normal fit, decided to follow a diet high in sugar, but still "healthy" for 60 days. Ate 170 g of carbs, the equivalent of 40tsp sugar daily, in stuff like smoothies, processed food, low fat food, etc.. Pretty much did a swap from healthy fats in his diet for products with obvious and hidden sugar.

Since when was a diet high in sugar and processed foods considered healthy?

I personally like the idea of the Hays diet- all carb meal then all protein diet as your body processes the different groups at different rates-makes sense to me.
While pregnant with both DC, I had GDM that was diet managed & a low GI diet was preferred (ie the right carbs & right portions of those carbs)

Sorry long thread so I haven't read it all, but low carcb is recommended by Diabetes Uk for type 2 diabetics and for pre-diabetes (which frnakly is half the country!).

This is endorsed by the NHS.

I low carb as much as possible but am not evangelical about it (I try to keep my carbs in the 40-80 range). Eat butter, avocado's, cream (in moderation) eggs, nuts (in moderation) fish chicken loads of veg and salad and a little fruit.

My cholesterol is completely normal (from being too high before low carbing) I suspect my insulin resistane is improved too but no-one wants to pay for the test to satsfy my curiosity!

Ideas change all the time and we need to be open to new research (on both sides) but to be critical of the methodology if appropriate. No one way of eating suit everyone - find what works for you and stick to it and don;t be judgemental about what works for others.

I used to be like that. Had to work really hard on willpower, hypnosis mp3). That way, I can enjoy a bread roll and not eat the lot. Never thought I could once upon a time. Take control of your appetite. It can be done.

I've done Paul McKenna and it really works, but I always just slip back

I am very overweight, hoping to shed a bit over the next couple of years. I have to say, though, my main concern is my ankles and knees. I don't particularly exclude carbs and I am not particularly low sugar but however fat I am (and at the moment we're talking 6-8 stone over BMI) my cholesterol is always very good, overall risk of heart attack/stroke very good, resting heart rate and bp in the "good" zone, no diabetes, liver and kidney functions normal etc. I am obviously worried about the correlation between obesity and cancer as well as my joints - hence slimming - but it's not always the case that fat people are riddled with general ill health.

In answer to your question BIWI.

‘Excessive’ meat and dairy consumption to me is glaringly obvious when I read what some people say they are eating on low carb forums.

“I ate a whole ball of mozzarella for lunch and it was glorious”

“I didn’t have time for lunch today, so I just had a packet of ham”

“Started the day with a bulletproof coffee made with three tablespoons of butter” (butter per gram takes a lot of milk to produce, so that is a lot of dairy in one drink)

“Boiled eggs for breakfast, chicken thighs for lunch, beef casserole for dinner and pate as a snack”

If you scroll through low carb recipes, they will frequently contain, what I consider to be excessive quantities of meat and dairy. If you’re eating these for every meal, I think it is excessive.

m.food24.com/News-and-Guides/Food-in-Focus/Top-10-low-carb-high-fat-recipes-for-banting-diet-20140217

I’ve said countless times that I think responsibile LCHF diets exist, but I think the majority of people dipping in and out of LCHF and not really getting it, (which I think is most people attempting it), eat excessive amounts of meat and dairy. If it’s present in every meal and deliberately added because you need more fat to make it work; a tablespoon of butter on your cabbage when you normally wouldn’t, bacon in your cauliflower mash along with butter and cheese, a hunk of pate instead of a spoonful of peanut butter, because pate has fewer carbs. It might not be massive quantities, but if, as has been suggested on here, the government changed tack and said we should all be eating LCHF, then it would soon add up to a lot of overconsumption of meat and dairy.

I know other people overconsume meat and dairy too. It isn’t just people on LCHF, but I don’t think a message from the government saying that we should now start eating more animal fats like large quantities of butter in our coffee and on our vegetables would be a very responsible message.

I also don’t think super low fat while allowing loads of sugar and white carbs is responsible either btw, but that’s not the advice any more.

I think most people now get the message that refined carbs are not a good choice. But at the same time I think a lot of people are now trying and are managing to reduce their meat and dairy consumption, which I think it great. If that’s doable for you alongside a LCHF WOE, fantastic. But it needs to be made a lot clearer to low carb rookies that increasing meat and dairy consumption are not what the diet is about. I still don’t think people get that. They see “unlimited beef and butter” and think “woohoo! Let’s have steak every evening, bacon for breakfast every day and more meat and cheese at lunch with ham as a snack”. That’s excessive to me and a bit worrying. Don’t care if people want to eat too much meat that it might hurt THEM. I don’t even know that it would. But the planet cannot sustain this level of excess.

"Excess protein is usually stored as fat while the surplus of amino acids is excreted. This can lead to weight gain over time, especially if you consume too many calories while trying to increase your protein intake."

www.google.co.uk/search?q=over+protein&oq=over+protein&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1872j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

www.healthline.com/health/too-much-protein

From my experiene the excessive meat and fat consumption doesn't last. Once the novelty has worn off and you start eating until you're full it moderates. I don;t think I eat any more meat than I did. I do eat a lot more fresh food (including veg) than I did because it's quite hard to buy low carb pre-prepared food. I do eat more fat but I'm not globbing fat on top of things) and the joy of being able to eat an avocado after years of it being Verboten because it's high fat is lovely.I do snack on yognurt (full fat greek or live locally made plain) and nuts (my weakness so I try to be moderate).

Rarely snack on toast anymore, make low carb "pasta" dishes substituting veg for the pasta. How can anyone think that lasagne made with butter nut squash is less healthy than lasagne made with pasta.

Don't judge low carb by people who have done it for a month and are still settling in.

From my experiene the excessive meat and fat consumption doesn't last. Once the novelty has worn off and you start eating until you're full it moderates.

Yes exactly! This is my point. IF you are one of the few who sticks with it, this will happen. But this country has never stuck en masse to any diet in history (except when we had rationing and were apparently all the healthier for it as we didn’t overconsume you see).

This is why I’ve been saying on a few posts, the danger is that people dip in and out of low carb without sticking to it. Read back over the page a bit, as I’ve already mentioned this. It’s the dipping in and out and not really getting it which is the problem.

If you do it properly, it’s probably not a problem unless you’re an anomaly who can stomach red meat all day for life (not envy).

All excess calories over time will result in weight gain!

Not all calories are equal though as carbs stimulate insulin.

Excess protein is defined in that article as 2gr per kilo of weight so for a large man of say 100 kilos they would need to be eating 200 gr of protein a day for it to be "excessive" (or 33 eggs or about 700 gr of meat or about 800gr of cheese - or some combination of those).

I don't know anyone on low carb who eats that. Maybe body builders.

I've done Paul McKenna and it really works, but I always just slip back sad

Keep doing a weekly session or switch it up with other ones. You are trying to change brain patterns of a lifetime. It's not easy. Just like exercise - try and do it regularly and you will find your food intake easier to control.

I believe the general consensus is UK citizens were generally healthier during the war, despite bacon and eggs
Bacon and eggs (and other meat and dairy products) were in pretty short supply. The British diet was based on bread, root vegetables, seasonal fruit and veg, token amounts of protein, and not much else really.
I'd like to see a detailed longterm analysis of health outcomes and how they were affected by rationing and other factors. I have heard that generation suffered from osteoporosis and tooth decay perhaps as a result of food shortages.

Yes but it well known that dropping in out out of diets is a problem whatever the diet.

Low carb is recommended by Diabetes UK and endorsed by the NHS so good enough for me and if the evidence/advice changes I hope I will be woman enough to take that on board and change with it. For now, the best advice for my body and medical state is to low carb.

Would Paul McKenna be suitable with a low carb way of eating? I wouldn;t mind trying it but no good if it's sepcifically preaching low fat. But controlling your relationship with food would be a good thing in my case

Yes but it well known that dropping in out out of diets is a problem whatever the diet

I’m not talking about problems for the health of the dieter. That is entirely up to them and not my business. But if people dip in and out of low carb and the novelty factor does not wear off, they will continue to binge eat meat and dairy, then grow sick of it, fall off the wagon and not finish some of what’s in their fridge, wasting not just any food, but the most intensive to produce food; meat and dairy. Then they keep getting fed this message that they should be cutting way down on carbs and upping animal fat and it all begins again. Fine if a few people do it, but I’d wager most people jack in low carb pretty quickly. If we were all told we should low carb high fat, as has been suggested on here, then I think this would result in excessive consumption of meat and dairy, then falling off wagon to begin again.

I’m not arguing with the health benefits for some people, especially if they stick to it long term. But most people do not, so they do not get the health benefits, but they are overconsuming meat and dairy for a while, before they jack it in.

It’s great that it works for you and that you say you don’t overconsume meat and dairy too. You are not who I’m talking about when I say it worries me and that the general message to the entire population should never be “more animal fat and protein”.

Sorry, jumping in again! I have done Paul McKenna too and he doesn’t preach low fat or anything. He tries to persuade your subconscious to make better choices iirc. If your subconscious believes better choices are low carb then yes, I think it would work.

Why are so many 'anti meat/dairy/animal products' people so...bossy and dictatorial? Why assume you know what is best for...everyone? That your view of what and how much food people are eating is correct?

I have been eating mainly animal products (some veg) for nearly 10 years...I know others who have been eating this way even longer. I no longer bother with the veg. I eat about 500g of meat/fish a day...about 20g butter a little good raw cheese, couple of eggs. No waste. Fit and well, cholesterol fine, CAC score zero. Many will consider my eating extreme...but it's no more extreme than vegan.

You can eat what YOU want but the assumptions that you know what's best for all and the sneering disdain for any who 'dare' to not follow your 'instructions is arrogant.