Would you consider me transphobic?

[TheSkyisAlive]

First of all I believe that gender dysphoria is a mental illness and should not be treated with hormones and surgery. Having said that, it's their body and their choice and if that's what a person wants, they shouldn't face abuse or live in fear.

But just because you identify as a female does not mean you are one. Even after surgery.

You do not understand what it is like to be a female and the problems we face. You do not get to speak on behalf of women. You should not compete in female only sports.

Does that make me transphobic or simply someone who does not want the females to be second class citizens?

I think it's a natural human impulse to want everyone to be the same and to subscribe to the same doctrines. However, I think this way of thinking is the same source that racism, homophobia et al. stems from. Unfortunately, that fear of the uncanny valley in others can lead us to make decisions that are ostensibly for our own safety that ultimately cause serious harm to other people, for example denying them access to same sex marriage or forcing them to live their lives in a gender role that makes them feel deathly and suicidally uncomfortable.

Yes, I think you are transphobic.

No,you're not & fwiw I agree with your post. We're heading down a slippery slope.

I don't think you are transphobic but TRAs probably would

No, of course not. I have the utmost sympathy for anyone who has gender dysphoria and feel they should have every possible protection that does not erode the rights and protections hard fought for by women because of their sex, or render the category of ‘woman’ essentially meaningless’.

Allowing someone who is biologically male and who has grown up with male privilege to legally become a woman because they ‘identify’ as such is just institutionalising that male privilege at the direct expense of women’s safety and rights.

According to the Trans Activists and Trans people I have come across if you think that transwomen (whether transitioned or not) are NOT real women then you are transphobic and it is hate speech.

I would consider you transphobic as you don’t seem to believe being trans should be allowed. there are people in the world who don’t believe gay people are gay, it’s a mental illness, and can be cured or that LGBT people should b e encouraged to be normal. I would think those people homophobic.
You can worry about issues around women only spaces and what that means for trans women and women without being transphobic.

Yes

You would be called a transphobe, yes; but you are not transphobic, no.

Transwomen are transwomen.

Women do not have penises.

Women are adult human females.

I agree with you op and many will say we are transphobic. Yet another way a lot of women are being silenced. I can no longer talk about this issue openly in many/most situations despite it being something I feel very strongly about.

The equation of transphobia with homophobia is not valid in my view. Sexuality is not biology.

I wouldn’t say you were transphobic - no phobia involved just science. If you have XX chromosomes you’re a female, if you have XY you’re a male (and yes I know there are some people born with variations of that).

What does being transphobic mean at the moment? It’s thrown around all the time but surely it means a fear and hatred of trans people? I don’t think you’ve displayed this but i think it’s difficult to assume that trans people are mentally ill. It could be so but it could also be, a way to cope with other underlying mental trauma or be physical in ways we don’t fully understand yet, or a reaction to bullshit gender/toxic masculinity stuff forced on people by society.

In an ideal world people should be able to present any way they want. Until then I think people should be able to legally change their sex and have surgery or not as they feel they need. There obviously needs to be sensible safeguards around this to make sure such a system isn’t open to abuse by predatory men. I think the current system strikes that balance. The proposed changes are dangerous.

But this doesn’t ‘make’ someone a woman except in the legal sense. There are issues that are specific to woman by virtue of our biology and surely that’s the point of a woman’s officer. I’m not saying a trans woman could never stand as one but I think they’d have to have a bloody good track record on woman’s issues put that before the perspective of being trans - there are trans/LGBTQ officers for that to deal with trans issues.

No.

StephenFrysMassiveBrain Stonewall's philosophy is that if someone feels that they are a woman, then they are a woman and must be treated as such. So it is saying that it is down to the individual to decide whether or not they are a woman but "cross dresser" is included in its definition of "trans" which it describes as "an umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth".

I think that most people would say that cross dressing as an adult, is a sexual fetish. And herein lies the problem: A wide definition of who is transgender does a massive disservice to women and, indeed, to those with a genuine gender dysphoria.

The artist Grayson Perry is famous for dressing in feminine attire but he is clear that that doesn't entitle him to be treated as a woman.

'Unfortunately, that fear of the uncanny valley in others can lead us to make decisions that are ostensibly for our own safety that ultimately cause serious harm to other people, for example denying them access to same sex marriage or forcing them to live their lives in a gender role that makes them feel deathly and suicidally uncomfortable.'

Uncanny valley is a weird analogy to use in this context, unless you're suggesting that trans people are some kind of artificial life-form.

www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-uncanny-valley-human-look-alikes-put-us-on-edge/

OP, I don't think you are transphobic, it's more that you're pro-women.

@SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed

I don't think it's weird at all. I think it describes perfectly why humans fear deviations from traditional norms. I think it's an inate fear, but not necessarily a rational one.

About 95% of people are 'transphobic' now, it's a meaningless word intended to silence anyone who doesn't want a transvestite in the communal showers/changing rooms with their daughter.

About 80 % of people classed as trans don't have any hormones or surgery now, trans includes the guys that get aroused by wearing ladies clothes. It never used to, it used to just be the genuinely dysphoric.

And Labour have more than one women's officer who identifies as a women, rather than actually being one. If you mind, Tanya Love said you can suck 'her' big lady cock. Honestly - that's what 'she' said and she's still women's officer.

See I don't think of OP as transphobic. Her reasoning sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I agree with what she says.

I didn't actually realise that this too classified me as transphobic. I don't want to see myself as that.

You are not transphobic and what you've said is NOT hate speech. If a person is not born female they are not a woman. If they are a transwoman they are just that, a transwoman. Why anyone could ever think Self ID is a good idea is just ridiculous.

Transwomen should not be treated negatively at all, but they also shouldn't have the same rights as a woman because they are not one.

Woman - adult human female. Not a transwoman.

of course you’re not transphobic. Trans ideology is very aggressive though.

Also - I think it's so important that trans men and women are given access to support and help to feel comfortable in their own bodies and happy. If that means becoming trans that's fine, but women's rights should be protected just as trans rights should be.

Since I think that society should look to how it can support the rights of trans people without trampling all over the rights of biological women, and I am incensed at the ungrateful attitude by many young people towards the original feminists, I would no doubt be called a terf by many of them.

BUT even I think you are being a bit transphobic there op.

OP Would you consider homosexuality to be a mental illness?