to think that your female reproductive organs actually matter?

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Just read this on a Labour Party Facebook page. Am gobsmacked - the very few issues that pertain to having a vagina womb and ovaries ??? -

Don’t get het up about a few desperate angry trans women. The majority are reasonable and should e accepted and not vilified.

How kind of you to explain that. I'll go back to my knitting now. Supper's in the oven.

so it's a bit much (I'll avoid the word 'hysterical' wink) to say that only "a" woman knows what it's like to experience A, B, C, X, Y and Z.

Yes. Not all women have experience all the exclusively female experiences. But no man has ever experienced any of them.

Yes, not all transwomen are like that
..Meanwhile the sex class of woman is under siege and its biology eroded to pantomime.

I think it is boards like this that turn it into pantomime. I’m a woman and I hardly feel trans women are assaulting my ‘sex class’. That’s absurd.

Don’t get het up about a few desperate angry trans women. The majority are reasonable and should e accepted and not vilified.

The problem is that they're the ones shouting the loudest and getting their voices heard and doing their damned best to drown out anyone with a differing view.

At the moment it is the majority who are shouting the loudest. There are up to 5000 people suffering from gender dysphoria, who have a GRC and who generally try to pass quietly as their desired sex.

Yet estimates of the number of trans in the UK range between about 150,000 to 500,000. They are the ones shouting the loudest, assaulting people, shutting down debate.

I've yet to come across one of the former sort of transwoman who agrees with the latter sort.

Don’t get het up about a few desperate angry trans women. The majority are reasonable and should e accepted and not vilified.

We are talking about a woman who thinks other women should be silenced for sharing a story by a former chair of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission because its 'offensive'.

Thats not anything to do with vilification. Thats to do with not wanting to hear a measured response based on human rights principles that they happen to disagree with.

Thats about an affront to the democratic process which allows discussion so groups which might be suspicious of each other can work through those issues, and decrease ignorance and increase acceptance and tolerance.

The effect of censorship of this level of ridiculousness is to get people's backs up, and fuel resentment and hostility. It forces a position where reasonable voices are drowned out.

But yes, do go on about how everyone here should STFU...

Also, just because you are not feeling the effects of this, doesn't mean other women aren't feeling it. That comment smacks of nothing but 'I'm alright jack'. Would you say that to the transwidows or lesbians on MN in person, whilst keeping a straight face? Or is their experience irrelevant or not as important as yours somehow?

The voices I hear loudest are those of hate and vitriol from some women who choose not to accept trans women as women snd repeatedly call them men.

I found Trevor Phillips’s article offensive. I am a woman but I feel for the trans community at the moment. Btw what is a trans widow?

The voices I hear loudest are those of hate and vitriol from some women who choose not to accept trans women as women snd repeatedly call them men.

There is no hate.
How is saying that someone with a cock and balls a man hate?
Is biology hate now?

Feminist4 nobody is saying that the nice transwoman down the street is assaulting the female sex class by living their life however they want.

The assault on the female sex class is in redefinition of 'woman' and 'female' in law, and the opening up to males of female spaces and opportunities like womens' sports, womens' officer roles, women's scholarships, women's prisons, women in business awards, girl guiding, women's refuges.

The assault on the female sex class is in the messaging to children that they can choose their sex, that they all have an intrinsic gender identity, and that the set of sex is stereotypes that they're more comfortable with is what determines whether they're male or female.

The assault on the female sex class is in the shaming, threatening, silencing, slandering and libelling of any woman who expresses a view on what "woman" means,if that view is anything other than 'anyone who says they're a woman.'

Keep up.

Feminist - as some point you will be affected by this. When you discover you have no women only spaces in public, or if you request a female medical professional and realize that the sex-class 'women' now includes men and it's HATE speech if you raise objections.

If not, you, a daughter, a niece or a female relative will be affected by self id.

The voices I hear loudest are those of hate and vitriol from some women who choose not to accept trans women as women snd repeatedly call them men.

Transwomen are men. Saying that is not hate speech, it's reality. Sorry you find reality so offensive.

If the argument that 'it's just organs' works then why doesn't that work for anything else? Can I speak for black people on race issues when I'm white because when is your melanin actually involved with anything really? If not why does someone with a penis get to speak for me?

Of course there will be women only spaces. The big lie is the one claiming that trans women are men dressing up to access these spaces. It’s vilifying transgender women.

Of course there will be women only spaces.

How can there be?

Go on. Tell me.

Female spaces with male bodies in them are still women only spaces, because TWAW.

Because trans women are women.

Precisely, so they aren't women only spaces cos thats an article of faith that not everyone believes. Mainly because its anti-scientific pseudo science bollocks.

Are TW female, though?

One Group: You are destroying women only spaces.
Reply: No we aren't. We are just redefining the definition of women to fudge this and to suit our needs, to hell with yours.

Its totalitarian bullshit. How many fingers winston?

Because trans women are women.

No, honey.

Because trans women are women.

How are trans women women? How can Karen White who has still got a working penis that they force onto people be a woman just like me, or your mum, or the Queen?

Because trans women are women.
Wrong answer try again.