to think that your female reproductive organs actually matter?

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Just read this on a Labour Party Facebook page. Am gobsmacked - the very few issues that pertain to having a vagina womb and ovaries ??? -

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What they don’t seem to understand is that male is the default as society goes. Being female and having problems particular to being female are some strange aberration, not something that potentially happens to 50% of the population.
Now of course being trans is far from the default but trans women bring that mindset with them and it’s not something that can just be forgotten. Just like I, as a white woman, couldn’t suddenly know everything there is to know about the experience of being a black woman. I’ve not grown up black, I’ve not been socialised black.

And then some people wonder why there is so much negativity towards transgender people.

Disgusting.

I would never vote for Labour anyway with Corbyn as leader, amongst some other reasons. And this is one more reason .

Oh come on all you terrible transphobes, don't you realise that the ability to put on a dress and some lipstick are far more important issues than things like vaginas and ovaries? Stop being so self centred and concentrate on the real issues facing white privileged males who have to fight to bring their dicks into our spaces. After all female is a feeling and they clearly feel it more than we do, with our very few tiny issues we should just STFU and concentrate on helping them to speak for us!

Fuck me. It is infuriating that people can be so fucking obtuse.

And why - stupid question maybe - are trans men not behaving in the same way? Why is it the trans women lobby which is so strong?

In a nutshell: male/female socialisation. One side dominates and it's the usual one.

I like the ironic misuse of the word 'effect' though
kinda shooting themselves in the foot as well, quite, we all come out of exclusively 'cis' women, don't we? that's quite a big 'issue' i'd say...

Well it’s a good thing we don’t live in a society that decides for us how we’ll behave and think and act and exist as members of society purely because of us having female biology, isn’t it! Otherwise we’d be really fucked.

I feel like we need to hand out some kind of Ladybird Introduction to Feminism books sometimes.

"Bar the very few issues that pertain to having a vagina, womb, and ovaries"

I was thinking earlier as I looked at my 6 month old playing on her play mat "Wow I can't believe my husband's sperm fertilizing one of my eggs, grew inside me for 9 months, I actually gave birth, and she has now become the person I'm looking at." Sure billions of women have done the same, but it doesn't make it any less amazing to me. What my vagina, womb, and ovaries did.

the very few issues that pertain to having a vagina womb and ovaries

Fucking hell! Unbelievable.

What a pile of shit 💩

kinda shooting themselves in the foot as well, quite, we all come out of exclusively 'cis' women, don't we? that's quite a big 'issue' i'd say...

Oh no! Some of us come out of trans men or non-binary people. Duh.

Yes to what SlothSlothSloth said:

There is very little overlap between the issues faced by non-passing trans women and other women. ONLY trans women who pass well enough to that people don’t realise they’re trans will experience some of the same issues other women face - and even then only SOME.

There should be a women’s officer, an LGB officer and a trans officer.

Fuck off, Labour, and take your misogynistic woke bro bullshit with you.

Bar the very few issues that pertain to having a vagina womb and ovaries

aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh I can't even. Fuck it. I just saw a sparrowhawk land on the garage roof. It was very beautiful. I'm going to think about the sparrowhawk now, and when the Brexit shitstorm ends in an inevitable confidence vote I will vote for any viable pro-European centrist party that doesn't indulge in this shite, and failing viable, the Liberal Democrats.

But it’s not about ‘passing’. Being female is not just about the perceptions of society at large. It’s how women are raised, having periods, having breasts, being pregnant, preventing pregnancy. It is a lifetime, it starts from the moment a girl is born.
Living as a woman when you have been raised male and do not have a female reproductive system is not the same thing.

I love the fact that this woman thinks she's more qualified to talk about Human Rights than the former chair of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission.

Thats mind blowing and staggering arrogance.

I just looked this up and yep it's all true, and anyone who disagrees is 'transphobic'. And comments are being sent to 'compliance' to check they are not coming from Labour Party members.

Labour. Can. Get. Fucked.

I wonder when the ploppers will arrive to tell us all how awful and transphobic we are.

I give up!!

Exactly the point I was making Alpha.
No matter how much they pass, no matter how nice a person they are, no matter how difficult they have found being trans it is a different experience to being female from birth.

And I hope that the ridiculous young women who are complicit in this absolute bollocks, look back in 10/20 years time (once perhaps their vaginas are ruined by childbirth, they are incontinent, they are sick of being pumped full of articifical hormones but don't want any more kids and their husband is too chicken shit to get the snip, they are being paid less than their male counterparts because they have been forced to put their career on hold and their eyes have been opened to the fact sexism and misogyny is bloody everywhere) and feel embarrassed at the way they behaved over this whole thing.

It's about 'passing' insofar as some things happen to 'women' because they appear to be women, eg being groped on a crowded train, upskirting, not being listened to in a work environment.

For me, that's the difference between gender and sex. Gender = outward appearance that influences how society treats you. Sex = physical and biological gubbins inside.

There's no single individual woman who has experienced every physical permutation that women, as a class, are prone to, so it's a bit much (I'll avoid the word 'hysterical' ) to say that only "a" woman knows what it's like to experience A, B, C, X, Y and Z.

I really hope that someone reminds this woman of how her ovaries don't matter when she's denied pain relief in childbirth or after she's spent a night on a maternity ward after a CS or after she's just had a health visitor berate her for not breast feeding following years and years of neglect of maternity services and funding.

Honestly. When you are 20 years old, in most cases, what have your ovaries ever done for you?

I expect a woman in the Labour back office will make sure this fuckwit doesn't do it again, even if he does keep his job. It sounds like this is part of this spat between Labour and the Greens about a Green person referring to women as 'non-males'.

What do gynaecologists and midwives do all day anyway?

Time for them to get a real job which involves something more important than the female reproductive system.