To ask what people are afraid of with a People's Vote?

[Bearbehind]

Estimates reckon there were nearly a million people at the Peoples Vote march yesterday so support for it is high.

Why is it such a threat to others though?

If you're so convinced Leaving is the right thing to do for the country, why wouldn't you want that to be endorsed now people have a clearer idea of what is to come?

Or is it that you're worried Leave would now lose as it's been made clear there are no upsides?

In which case why do you want to go ahead with it anyway?

Remain are the ones twisting things.
Vote did not go the way wanted.
Baby about to be born. But hell let's unmake it and never let it ever have happened.

Vote did not go the way wanted

The trouble is the question was so nebulous I’m not sure anyone knew what they were voting for. Yes the majority voted “Leave” but it really wasn’t clear what “Leave” actually meant.

Again back to the OP. If / when a deal is agreed why are you so scared of (or reluctant to allow) the public getting a vote on it?

Twisting what?
Likelihood of food shortages? Ask the Minister of Food Supply if you think that's nonsense.
Disruption to peace in NI? Why do you think we don't have a deal yet?
Don't be childish.

I want a remain and reform option.

I voted remain and that would be my preference option, however I don't think that we can rerun a vote because we didn't like the original outcome, that just seems dangerous for democracy.

however I don't think that we can rerun a vote because we didn't like the original outcome, that just seems dangerous for democracy

Whereas lying to the public about what leaving the EU entails is fine for democracy?

I agree toria.

ThereWill there's your answer! Lying and illegal activity are obviously fine. It's democracy, innit?

There will be adequate food

Hope this helps you:

leave1
/liːv/Submit
verb
1.
go away from.
"she left London on June 6"
synonyms: depart from, go away from, go from, withdraw from, retire from, take oneself off from, exit from, take one's leave of, pull out of, quit, be gone from, decamp from, disappear from, abandon, vacate, absent oneself from, evacuate;

The erosion of Democracy?

10degrees

Thanks. So nice of you to point out that Leave means Leave.

My point was that the implications of Leave were not clear.

That it could involve leaving the single market. That it impacts JIT and the impacts that will have on factories, jobs and stocked shelves in the U.K.

The impact it will have on scientific research in the U.K. I could go on.

Therewillbeadequatefood

The single market in large part IS the eu.

I refer you to my dictionary definition above.

Folk knew what they were getting, you just happen not to like it.

In a general election, all parties publish their detailed, costed, proposals for how they would run the country should they win - also known as a manifesto. (Saying “we just want to run the country so let us have a go” is not regarded as sufficient for such a significant election.)

Whoever wins gets the chance to deliver their manifesto: that’s democracy.

But Leave never had a clear manifesto going into the referendum. It was not clear what their proposal for post Brexit Britain was, there was no proper costing, and they had no answer to the Irish question apart from the assertion “ah, it won’t change”.

How is the electorate supposed to make an informed decision, on something so serious, with so little clarity on what Brexit was supposed to be?

It is absolute rubbish for MPs to say things like “my constituents voted for/against a customs union” or “my constituents did/didn’t vote for an Irish land border”. Those were not the questions put to the people and they weren’t in a Leave manifesto.

I don’t know why everyone is surprised that the non existent manifesto is now proving so hard to deliver.

The 2016 vote was essentially a political question (‘do we want to be part of an eu superstate or not’) with an economic inference/ implication

The admirable trick the remain camp have achieved is to twist that backwards and pretend it is an economic question with a political inference.

Which is dishonest because this is all about keeping us in said superstate.

10degrees

You are pretending that what has taken the country over a year to discover (that leaving the EU means leaving the single market and just how damaging that will be to the economy).

That simply isn’t true. It was only made clear that Britain would leave the single market after the referendum result. The implications certainly weren’t known before the result.

Now David Cameron did warn that a vote to leave the EU would mean leaving the single market too. But this was dismissed as part of project fear.

Now it’s entirely possible that you can argue that you, your partner and your best mate knew that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market (and the shitstorm that brings). But you absolutely can not say that this was understood by most of the voting public. And it certainly wasn’t clear the impacts this would have on JIT, stocking shelves, motorways being prepared to become overspill car parks and a potential hard boarder in Northern Ireland.

Most of what the public were told about voting leave was complete none sense. “Easiest deal in history” “deal can be done over a cup of tea” “they need us more than we need them”

10degrees

Folk knew what they were getting, you just happen not to like it

Again back to the OP. If folk knew what they were getting into and they still like it. Then have another vote. What are you scared of.

I actually think you are right. I strongly suspect the country will vote Leave again. I’ll be far more supportive of a vote on the actual deal as it will be clearer what people have voted for.

This just goes around in circles doesn't it?

Leave have nothing more substantial to offer than soundbites which is exactly why they don't want another vote.

They know it means the truth will reach more people because the lies have been dispelled and that they then won't vote to push us over the edge when it comes to the crunch.

Therewillbeadequatefood

Setting aside what any second vote would actually ask, this is just more intellectual dishonesty.

Because you are repeating remainer myth number 1 - people didn’t know what leave meant.

Yes they did. But worse than that, had remain won in 2016 I doubt very much you would feel the same about a second vote.

The uk public want out of the eu superstate. The politicians need to deliver.

Because you are repeating remainer myth number 1 - people didn’t know what leave meant.

Actually you're repeating leaver lie number 1 - that everyone who voted leave was voting to leave the single market.

Setting aside what any second vote would actually ask, this is just more intellectual dishonesty

What do you mean setting aside what the second vote would actually ask? Surely this is crucial?

As pickleup put so beautifully. There was no Leave manifesto.

Why are you so scared of people voting on a specific leave deal?

Beleavers have to rely on articles of faith because all the evidence points towards evolution

Fishesaplenty

Hope this helps - as I say you are intellectually dishonest.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/amp/

Therewillbeadequatefood

Explain to me what a second vote would ask?

I voted remain but it was a democratic vote and it must be upheld. It sets a precedent that a democratic result can be overturned.

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I voted remain but it was a democratic vote and it must be upheld.
But the legislation CLEARLY stated that the vote was not binding on the government.
Why should we go against the wording of the legislation?