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To ask what people are afraid of with a People's Vote?

832 replies

Bearbehind · 21/10/2018 17:36

Estimates reckon there were nearly a million people at the Peoples Vote march yesterday so support for it is high.

Why is it such a threat to others though?

If you're so convinced Leaving is the right thing to do for the country, why wouldn't you want that to be endorsed now people have a clearer idea of what is to come?

Or is it that you're worried Leave would now lose as it's been made clear there are no upsides?

In which case why do you want to go ahead with it anyway?

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ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 23/10/2018 13:38

10degrees I’ve already said David Cameron said leaving the EU meant leaving the single market. And that this was dismissed as project fear.

Instead vote leave offered people “only a madman would actually leave the Market” Owen Patterson MP, vote leave backer.

Next thing you’ll tell me everybody knows that only lies are written on the side of big red buses.

10degreestostarboard · 23/10/2018 13:39

Ta1kin

I suspect on the legality of the referendum you may well be right.

But what you forget is that any government that uses that as an excuse not to proceed will very likely get smashed by -potentially - 52% of those who can be bothered to vote at the polls.

It would be like the Lib Dem’s and tuition fees, but on a scale much worse.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 23/10/2018 13:40

Explain to me what a second vote would ask

I would like to vote on whatever deal Teresa May (or whoever is PM next week) agrees with the EU.

10degreestostarboard · 23/10/2018 13:41

Therewillbeadequatefood

I’m not really sure what your point is. Someone upthread said leaving the single market was never on the cards - a cursory google suggests that’s nonsense.

10degreestostarboard · 23/10/2018 13:42

Therewillbeadequatefood

No - explain exactly what questions you would ask on a ballot paper.

You (presumably) marched for it - surely you knew what you were marching for...

Pickleup · 23/10/2018 13:43

any government that uses that as an excuse not to proceed will very likely get smashed by -potentially - 52% of those who can be bothered to vote at the polls

Who says? Who are they going to vote for? Half of Labour, all the LibDems and the SNP say they would back a people’s vote.

LittleLionMansMummy · 23/10/2018 13:43

For the love of god, stop perpetuating the myth that it was a democratic vote! The suggestion that it was democratic is utterly derisory. Fraud, lies, 3 million denied a vote, Russian interference, Cambridge Analytica, the number of reasons why this was not democracy are undeniable.

Ta1kinpeace · 23/10/2018 13:46

10degrees
any government that uses that as an excuse not to proceed will very likely get smashed by -potentially - 52% of those who can be bothered to vote at the polls.
And any government tat goes ahead with the catastrophe of a hard Brexit will be loathed by the 99.9% of the population who will be worse off

Singapore gets Free trade deal with EU, Dyson opens new factory in Singapore not UK

10degreestostarboard · 23/10/2018 13:46

Pickleup

SNP and Lib Dem’s are tiny. Labour members - you may well be correct. But labour voters are not all labour members.

The only real evidence we have is the 2016 vote result. Vengeance on any political party that uses technicalities to prevent Brexit will be swift and brutal at the ballot box.

10degreestostarboard · 23/10/2018 13:48

Ta1kin

I think you are underestimating the British sense of ‘fair play’ - welching on Brexit would bring labour or the tories down. Hence why neither have said they will do so.

Ta1kinpeace · 23/10/2018 13:49

Vengeance on any political party that uses technicalities to prevent Brexit will be swift and brutal at the ballot box
What makes you think that ?
Its not like TM got a landslide with her Pro Brexit line
and Corbyn did not win with his pro Brexit line .....

10degreestostarboard · 23/10/2018 13:51

Ta1kinpeace

True but a pro Brexit party still won a general election.

I’m still waiting for someone to explain what a second referendum would have as ballot questions...

Surely you all knew what you were marching for....

mostdays · 23/10/2018 13:54

Vengeance on any political party that uses technicalities to prevent Brexit will be swift and brutal at the ballot box.

Doubt it.

But if Brexit results in the sort of hardships most people who know anything about this say it will, I dread to think of the genuine brutality and suffering that will come.

It says it all though, that "people won't vote for us" matters more than "people will suffer enormously". And I'm expected to trust and respect people who put votes before lives.

Ta1kinpeace · 23/10/2018 13:55

10degrees
The ballot questions are readily available online.
Google is your friend.

The only purely Brexit party is the DUP - and they DID win the election.
EVERY other party lost.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 23/10/2018 13:55

You (presumably) marched for it - surely you knew what you were marching for

As I said I want a vote on “the deal” the one that’s being negotiated now. The one that’s 95% complete. I can’t write down what that deal is because it isn’t complete yet.

This is my whole problem. No one knows what Brexit is yet, yet you seem adamant the “folks” knew what they were voting for.

10degreestostarboard · 23/10/2018 13:58

Ta1kinpeace

My google must be broken then. All I can find is lots of conjecture around what the questions might be.

I will assume you don’t know.

10degreestostarboard · 23/10/2018 13:59

Therewillbeadequatefood

So... the choice is the deal... or what?

Ta1kinpeace · 23/10/2018 13:59

10degrees
When you tell me the three things in your daily life that will be better after Brexit
I'll find you the link to the questions
GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin

10degreestostarboard · 23/10/2018 14:01

Ta1kinpeace

Ah so you don’t know then. All that walking for nowt it seems.

The irony of you campaigning for something you don’t understand isn’t lost on me.

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Bearbehind · 23/10/2018 14:06

10 it's not difficult to matinee what a people vote would say, something like:-

  • agree with the deal on offer
  • no deal
  • neither of the above (Remain)

With a ranking system to offset split votes on 1 and 2.

Now over to you, how will your life change for the better outside the EU?

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Bearbehind · 23/10/2018 14:07

WTF - imagine not matinee

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Ta1kinpeace · 23/10/2018 14:09

10degrees
Where did I say I do not know what I want?
I know exactly what I want.

What outcome do YOU look forward to?
Three things in your day to day life. Surely you can envisage that much?

TeenagersDoMyHeadIn · 23/10/2018 14:12

I hate the sneery, self-righteous arrogance of people who can't grasp that anyone else could possibly have a different opinion and say things like 'what are you so afraid of?' 

bellinisurge · 23/10/2018 14:19

I entirely accept that people have a different view to me. I also think there will be short term food shortages followed by long term price hikes. BeLeavers apparently disagree.
I will be eating food from my stash as will my family so we don't have to queue with grumpy BeLeavers blaming "Remain wreckers" for causing the shortages.
In fact, we should start a tally of references to Remainers deliberately spoiling Brexit.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 23/10/2018 14:28

So... the choice is the deal... or what

What bear said.