To ask what people are afraid of with a People's Vote?

[Bearbehind]

Estimates reckon there were nearly a million people at the Peoples Vote march yesterday so support for it is high.

Why is it such a threat to others though?

If you're so convinced Leaving is the right thing to do for the country, why wouldn't you want that to be endorsed now people have a clearer idea of what is to come?

Or is it that you're worried Leave would now lose as it's been made clear there are no upsides?

In which case why do you want to go ahead with it anyway?

Bearbehind

On the contrary - hard Brexit is the answer, we just don’t have time now to carry that out.

Ahhhh the 'Stab in the Back' theory.

The elites are letting us down, they are manipulating us. Well yes Adolph that is exactly what is happening.

mammy MMC cladding does not make a house. It also needs footings, floor, frame, insulation, cladding, electrics, plumbing, roofing, and that is before you fit it out. Many of the raw materials not available in the UK and cannot be be made from recycled plastic.

If you are thinking of exporting your recycled plastic cladding it needs to be manufactured to a size that fits the your customers requirements...for that you need a trade agreement. As a member of a large trading block you manufacture to your preferred size and smaller nations outside the bloc change their bits to fit your standard size. This increases your profit margins because you don't have to re set machinery each time you get an order.

Can I just ask, For genuine curiosity’s sake:

how will you personally benefit from brexit? How will your life be better post brexit?

No bashing please, I really want to hear from people who voted for and support brexit..

On the contrary - hard Brexit is the answer, we just don’t have time now to carry that out.

See, that's where the fuckwittery prevails.

What do you mean 'we don't have time to carry out hard brexit'?

That's what we're getting in 5 months unless someone gets their act together.

So you're bascally saying we can't cope with that now.

I really want to hear from people who voted for and support brexit..

Well don't we all? 17 million of 'em and all we get is sovereignty and immigration.

10, you had 25 frigging years to work out how to make Hard Brexit work. NOW there's no time?

Well, that's convenient.

Mousse

There’s no ‘theory’ about it - we are headed for brino and it didn’t need to be that way. It has been engineered that way. A stitch up.

Jezbollah and that mad chap McDonnell may yet get their red hands on number 10, because the tories are done.

I disagree - the one thing the Government was committed to was Brexit come hell or high water. They have now found out that it was an awful lot more complicated than they thought and that silly slogans of Brexit means Brexit, and Red White and Blue Brexit don't cut it in the real world.

They were told that, but this was dismissed as Project Fear. No one is yet able to tell my why the leading Brexiters haven't been able to make a better job of it. Johnson could have stood for PM, and would have walked the job, but he preferred to run away to play cricket. Davis was given the job of being responsible for Brexit, but didn't bother to do any work. Rees-Mogg, Redwood, IDS - why aren't they itching to step up to do the job? Come on, tell me why they haven't?

I will admit that May's stupidity in calling an unnecessary election which she lost her majority was a stunning piece of incompetence. On paper she was a Remainer, in practice, I am not sure that she held strong opinions either way.

we are headed for brino

So what was the point?

All of the rules, none of the say?

The point, dearest bearbehind, was and is freedom.

A concept you will doubtless scoff at, but millions of our forebears have nonetheless died to preserve.

But there won't be freedom.

Well still be beholden to EU rules but have no say in them anymore.

Has that really not sunk in yet?

I don't think we are heading for Brino - for a significant number that would be a sensible compromise. I think we are heading for a crash out due to the complete incompetence of the Government - in the same way that nations blundered into WW1 without really knowing why or what their aims were.

There are too other parallels with WW1 - it was popular, men rushed to enlist, and it was all going to be over by Christmas.

One benefit of Brino is that it kicks Farage out of the European Parliament. If he would do us all a favour and shut up for good, that would be even better.

Remember screaming at me last year.
It would never happen.
Now it's bino.
Wait a while and you will see it will be no deal,

Mrsr8

‘Sigh’?

Now I get to board the threads ‘faux outrage bus’. Toot toot!

‘I am disgusted that you would be so flippant about our brave soldiers fighting and dying for our freedom’ blah blah (repeat ad nauseum for at least two pages in the hope the poster will go away...)

If we could return to 2016 and be led by a parliament committed to departure I would imagine plans would be much more advanced by now.

Have you not wondered why nobody in in Parliament, except the real self-serving dickheads, is committed to Brexit?

It gives them more power, more freedom to run the country how they want and allegedly more money to spend on things. Why wouldn't they be committed to it? It's a no-brainer isn't it - if what you believe is true? Surely all those logical, rational, MPs can see it's better for them if they recover their absolute sovereign powers without any oversight from outside agencies? Why on earth wouldn't they all be committed to that? Surely they all go into politics in order to influence the country according to their wishes and judgement as much as possible? Why do you think they're so reluctant to snatch back all their powers from the EU? What could possibly be in it for them to remain in the EU?

No mummmy I still think BINO is where we are heading.

No deal would be the result of rank incompetence and TM putting her pride first.

Sadly I'm no longer convinced it's impossible because she has demonstrated she is a sociopath who is only in it for herself.

Still, it would exactly be the result of careful planning would it.

And it would bring the country to its knees.

For the millionth time.

Even if we have hard Brexit we will still have some pooled sovereignty. While parliament retains it's sovereignty some decisions are constrained by international agreements voted on by parliament.

We will be a member of the WTO and will be forced to abide by its rules. We will still be part of NATO and the ECHR.

All the suffering for some theoretical freedom we won't get anyway!

Moose

No because we should exit the echr and the only potential loss of sovereignty (if you want stretch your thin argument to breaking point) with nato is its ‘attack on one is an attack on all’ philosophy

I'm tempted by a historical sidetrack.

If "millions of our forebears" died fighting for freedom which wars are you referring to?

WW2 = freedom yes ok.

WW1 = don't make me laugh that was nationalism not freedom.

Boar war = hahahahahahah

Crimea = hahahahahah

These 'millions of forebears' do they include the troops from the Indian subcontinent?

Spreading Empire can no longer be seen as 'freeing the world' it really, really can't.

So this 'freedom' millions fought for - where and how?

Fishesaplenty

... or the (remainer) self serving dickheads in parliament like the eu because, to paraphrase the ‘great’ Jeremy Corbyn, the eu is simplythe manifestation of big business? And they all benefit through that association?

As they say, even a broken watch is right twice a day.

Why should we exit the ECHR? It's part of a completely different body to the EU, and very much a creation by post War British lawyers having seen the appalling crimes of the 1940s.

Why not leave NATO too, if you want sovereignty - go the whole hog?