To ask what people are afraid of with a People's Vote?

[Bearbehind]

Estimates reckon there were nearly a million people at the Peoples Vote march yesterday so support for it is high.

Why is it such a threat to others though?

If you're so convinced Leaving is the right thing to do for the country, why wouldn't you want that to be endorsed now people have a clearer idea of what is to come?

Or is it that you're worried Leave would now lose as it's been made clear there are no upsides?

In which case why do you want to go ahead with it anyway?

Once we know where we are, I think investment will return.
But your trying to do the doom and gloom, people in real life are get bleeding on with it, so we can.

So you're not actually an additive manufacturer, then?

10 you are thinking like a petulant teenager.

Taking your analogy.

My neighbours run my budget the same way I do, they shop where I do, they holiday where I do and they drive the same car.

The price I pay for saying I make my own decision is burning my house down.

...just asking because, as a technologist, I've been talking up 3D printing for a while now but even I know it's not actually replacing actual industry. Just saying.

Once we know where we are, I think investment will return

Why?

What possible reason does any company who wants access to the EU market have for investing in the UK in the future?

One day you wake up to find that your next door neighbours run your monthly budget. They say where you shop, where you go on holiday and what cars you can drive.

But your neighbour didn't do that. You decided to blue your money in on an expensive car and a holiday and then wondered why the gas and electricity got cut off when you failed to pay the bills, and the mortgage company foreclosed.

Health, education, housing to name three major areas are all within the competence of Westminster. The EU hasn't told us to starve the health service, or to run our schools into the ground, or not to tackle the housing crisis.

How do we get from here to your idea of there when our economy gets tanked by no deal? @mummmy2017 And what is stopping us doing the things you refer to right now? If it's the EU, tell me how it is stopping us.

Bearbehind

Alas, there must be 17 million petulant teenagers in this country. All of them wrong and only you right. What are the odds eh?

Back to the analogy. They may run your budget to your wishes now, but what guarantee do you have that will be the same into the future. Worse, what if you wanted them to hand the reins back for any reason and then we’re told no, ahem, because it’s all too difficult now...

Hippy dippy one world shit may appeal to you, but not everyone agrees

I can't see a cancellation, via a second vote, as anything other than fear of the consequences. And, I could be in a minority of one, but I fear the outcome would be "get in line and do as you are told".

I tend to think that the UK would get on, and flourish as a mercantile state, and that long term we would become more resilient to the shocks of trading worldwide. But I am not an economist. And I am sure there wouldn't be places to hide for the less able, and on that front, I have misgivings.

And what is stopping us doing the things you refer to right now? If it's the EU, tell me how it is stopping us.

Absolutely!

As I asked before - if this so fabulous why could none of this be done within the EU?

And why wasn't it done?

Peregrina

It should ALL be ‘within the competence of westminster’

That’s called national sovereignty

The EU doesn't really need to 'negotiate' on most of the aspects of the UK leaving. The 'rules' for being an EU member are written very clearly in 27 or more languages.
There are a couple of aspects that do need 'discussion'. Future trade with the EU. The rules are written but May and co are intent on 'cherrypicking'. The EU are perfectly in their rights to simply say no, go away'.
The massive elephant in the room is the border between Ireland and NI. The problems surrounding this are historical and were the responsibility of the British government from hundreds of years ago. Had this been a 'usual' land border like between France and Germany then there would be relatively little problem putting up a border fence and security.
The EU have 'interest' in a possible border as there should be one around the 'perimeter' of the EU , or again imposed if/when the UK trades under WTO rules. To maintain the peace between NI and Ireland the EU have said they don't want a border across the country. Thus the choice is either a 'sea' border and a bit of a 'fudge' for Ireland/NI trade which is relatively small in value, or for NI to remain in customs union with Ireland. Historically the British government 'created' the problem, so it is down to them to find a 'solution'.

But I get to vote during my neighbours decision making process.

My neighbour only actually has a say in 2% (?) of the budget so just on what takeaways we have - not the house, car etc.

I am on my neighbours decision making council so when decisions are made I get a choice and I have a significant influence.

And if I reject my neighbour then some decisions will still be made by other people but I will have no say in those decisions at all. And I will lose my job.

So I decide I will work with my neighbour, pool some decision making while still making the vast majority of decisions on my own.

Once we know where we are, I think investment will return.

But there should be no once about it. We were promised that these were the easiest deals in history, and that the rest of the world was going to be beating a path to our door. This investment should be well underway now.

28 months later, we don't see that - we see a Government appointing a Minister for Food, we see firms being told to stockpile medication, we see a Government talking about chartering ships to get goods in.

It should ALL be ‘within the competence of westminster

But it can't be! We will still pool sovereignty with the ECHR, NATO and the WTO.

The world where each nation state is entirely separate has gone. It doesn't exist.

You want to hand pooled sovereignty to the WTO where we have no say at all.

Alas, there must be 17 million petulant teenagers in this country. All of them wrong and only you right. What are the odds eh?

Well no.

Because not many of the most ardent Leavers are quite as deluded as you.

Your arguments literally make no sense.

You do arguments a disservice by attributing 10's comments as one

Besides which May told us that we never lost sovereignty - it just felt like it. (Felt like it to some, she could have added, because others were well aware.

{It should ALL be ‘within the competence of westminster’

That’s called national sovereignty}

But the point is that the UK sovereign government WASN'T doing this, it was busy asset stripping and selling off the NHS and many other industries to the USA and whoever else.
Successive governments have 'sold the family silver' and the underlying 'wealth' of the UK is on a par with Ghana and other 'bottom of the league' countries. Very much 'fur coat and no underwear' territory.

Peregrina

Just because this government have right royally bolloxed Brexit up doesn’t mean Brexit was a bad idea.

If we could return to 2016 and be led by a parliament committed to departure I would imagine plans would be much more advanced by now. Some of the uncertainties would have been resolved.

But they didnt want it so - surprise surprise- it is gradually being moved into the ‘too difficult’ box by an elite that thinks it knows best (looking at you bearbehind)

ha 10!
neighbour gets less than 1% of my budget and for that assures the quality of all the food i order from the huge range of shops he supports and warrants that no other supplier can supply cheaper goods. in addition he makes sure that no-one in the town can get away with ripping me off or selling shoddy goods.
(of course i can buy shoddy from outside town but thats my lookout)

given he also arranges a raft of deals for travel, pharms etc it's a bargain.

No need to look at me 10

You've no fucking idea how it should work out so why would anyone else?

Jason118

To (Mis) quote the great Malcolm Tucker:

‘This thread is flypaper for dickheads’

‘This thread is flypaper for dickheads’

Ain't that the truth!

Hey frankiestein401 that neighbour of yours sounds brilliant! He's doing all that for 1% of your budget. Can I come and join in then we can all work and trade together.

If we work together we will be stronger and safer.

Can we buy in bulk to save more money?