To ask what people are afraid of with a People's Vote?

[Bearbehind]

Estimates reckon there were nearly a million people at the Peoples Vote march yesterday so support for it is high.

Why is it such a threat to others though?

If you're so convinced Leaving is the right thing to do for the country, why wouldn't you want that to be endorsed now people have a clearer idea of what is to come?

Or is it that you're worried Leave would now lose as it's been made clear there are no upsides?

In which case why do you want to go ahead with it anyway?

Just on those people saying about how well the march was attended....if you weren't there, then you are trusting photos and reports from newspapers....that very well trusted source that have no investment in portraying it a particular way at all and are as believable as most politicians...no?
If that was the case, the media would be reporting 5,000 attendees, given how many support leaving. Those of us who were there can attest to the fact that most of the marchers couldn't get anywhere near Parliament Square because of the crowds. Better to think it's all a media conspiracy, though, and that all those chartered coaches didn't really exist and the helicopter footage of marchers was doctored. That would make much more sense .

Poor tiny weak widdle UK never had any influence over anything and are helpless in the face of PunishmentBullying by big horrible entities like the EU. but at the same time we’re the mighty UK who everybody needs more than we need them and countries are queuing up to offer us supplication and we’ll be soaring to great heights within big horrible entities like WTO.

Right.

Element get a grip.

Winning argument in one sentence, there

Industry should and will pick up... As it will become profitable once more.
Farmers will once again grow things on a Larger scale.
Don't be negative, Bear! Mummy clearly means our manufacturing industries. We'll have those factories up in no time and have a fully-functioning industrial base in no time. We can make British goods for British people, because we certainly won't be able to compete on a global stage. And maybe the farmers can grow all the raw materials that we'll need for this brave new industry. If we get global-warming, we can grow our own cotton and resurrect our textile industry. Again, it will have to be British cloth for British people because we won't be able to compete on a global stage...

Political stadility and not having to pay into rescue countries in the EU. They have budgets for that.
We will stop paying into that budget.
We don't.

Industry should and will pick up... As it will become profitable once more.
Will it become more profitable because we have to pay extra for all our imported materials? Or do you mean it will become more profitable because we'll have restricted access to our largest and closest export market?

Farmers will once again grow things on a Larger scale.
They can already. Doing so ruins the environment.

We can take advantage of gluts in food markets, rather than just storing over production as EU do... Butter mountain.
There's a worldwide shortage of butter. But ignoring that, how would you suggest we 'take advantage' of gluts of food? Maybe buy it up at cheap rates and make chutney while your 'Larger' farmers go out of business because prices have dropped?

Financial markets will flourish, no way will bankers lose out.
That's a bit inconsistent with your next point isn't it? If house prices go down many people will find themselves in negative equity and default on their mortgages.

House prices should go down... Yes good thing if you can't afford to buy yet.
But not so good if you had a 75% mortgage due to reach the end of its fixed-rate and you can't transfer to a new product because you're now in negative equity.

What I said is not outside of reality, to do with industry and food farming.
La La La..
Let's pretend it's me saying untruths...
But we will see, as right now my reality looks the more likely.

mummmy could you elaborate on the points I raised about industry and farming please?

What areas are you thinking of?

Moussemoose

When posters stop asking "why won't leavers answer questions?" I will stop pointing out why those that started to respond have stopped.

Yes the level of debate has risen and now some posters on both sides still sling insults about.

But no-one needs to fling insinuations about if you have "the facts" as you have posted "if posters are rude that reflects upon them not you." but why should posters have to put up with rudeness?

Every time things go badly for Leave WhollyFather bobs up. The Trump defence on numbers - you know when Trump's crowds were half that that Obama had, it all wasn't true.

You won, get over it. Better still, after 28 months, lets see a whole list of the easiest deals in history, all sorted out over cups of tea in an afternoon. Let's see that long list of firms that have signed trade deals with us.

@WhollyFather
The fact remains we had a vote and Leave won, and we knew what we were voting for.
So you'll be happy when the final answer on March 29th is the Norway option ?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=zNnh-KhiLm0&t=15s

We already had a peoples vote.
PS i voted remain by the way

Prestoli
We had a vote. What was the outcome ?
WTO or Norway ?

Posters should have to "put up with rudeness " because posters who are still convinced this is going to be great aren't convincing other people. They are trotting out rehashed slogans that are increasingly embarrassing and weak. And people are increasingly concerned about the possibility of No Deal.
So stop being a snowflake and stand up for your position with a clear evidence based explanation as to why we should all go through this for the sake of your sound bite.

bellinisurge

Posters don't have to put up with rudeness as they can stop replying to posts and that is what has happened.

What you are left with is those that put forward soundbites and those that say "we won get over it".

The reason there are no facts about what happens is because the deal is no finished yet and the government have not let us know.
We don't have a crystal ball...

If you don't have a crystal ball, how do you know it's going to be brilliant. And easy which is what we were all told. Evidence for all to see suggests the contrary.

Of course, the most amusing thing is that the remain side never doubted victory in 2016 and so I think were rather surprised.

Disappointing to see that the level of arrogance hasn’t lessened since then.

The thing is, I get it and I understand why a remain vote is perfectly sensible.

A shame you don’t accord the 17 million odd leavers the same courtesy. After all we can’t all be racist idiots can we?

It’s a rhetorical question but sadly from this thread I think I know what the remainer metropolitan elite think of us. And it’s just arrogance.

Brexit isn’t going swimmingly - that’s because it has been badly handled by a system that doesn’t want to do it. That doesn’t mean the prospect was unsound at day zero though.

The facts are that there will no longer be agreements allowing planes to fly and pilots licenced to be recognised.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/flights-to-and-from-the-uk-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/flights-to-and-from-the-uk-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

The facts are that the US and Australia already consider the UK to be a "distressed negotiator" for future trade deals.
twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/1052459872606924800

The facts are that powerful bodies like the EMA, which created a strong industry cluster around it, have confirmed that they are leaving the UK and moving to Amsterdam and are already scaling back valuable work
www.biopharmadive.com/news/as-clock-ticks-ema-launches-3rd-phase-of-brexit-plan/539421/

The facts are that plans to make the M26 a massive lorry park, to cope with the delays at Dover, without any consultation are now going ahead..
metro.co.uk/2018/10/12/plan-to-turn-m26-into-a-massive-lorry-park-after-brexit-8032065/
...I could go on

Still no apology, 10degrees?
In case anyone missed it, here's his response to people's concerns about life-saving medication:
"If your that worried about your medicines and other assorted scaremongering then bog off to Brussels."

Another fact: Some WTO members have got no intention of giving the UK special treatment. I can't think why. Don't they know we're British?

Two fingers?

Nope. You should be apologising for being prepared to sell out your country for the prospect of a handful of silver.

Hope that clarifies my position.

Brexit isn’t going swimmingly - that’s because it has been badly handled by a system that doesn’t want to do it.

Then it was up to the Leave camp to get one of their own elected as PM. The field was wide open. However, 28 months on, what have the two prominent Leavers Davis and Johnson achieved? Davis had ample opportunity to get stuck into the negotiations. Why didn't he? Was it too much like hard work? Then they signed a 'backstop' agreement last December, and 8 months later saying that they didn't understand what they were signing. Or agreeing with May at her Chequers summit and then walking out in a strop. Where too is Gove? I will give him his due - he did stand for PM.

Momentum consultation on Brexit here.

www.anothereurope.org/vote-now-momentum-launches-brexit-consultation/

Also, letter writing campaign for 9th November to the Prime Minister demanding a People's Vote.

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