To ask what people are afraid of with a People's Vote?

[Bearbehind]

Estimates reckon there were nearly a million people at the Peoples Vote march yesterday so support for it is high.

Why is it such a threat to others though?

If you're so convinced Leaving is the right thing to do for the country, why wouldn't you want that to be endorsed now people have a clearer idea of what is to come?

Or is it that you're worried Leave would now lose as it's been made clear there are no upsides?

In which case why do you want to go ahead with it anyway?

WalkingDead
Will you be happy if the Government go with the Norway version on March 28th ?

Or what about your 'status quo' deal, which is presumably just remaining.

What if that is what the government choose and parliament agree to?

You want to leave but are happy for the government to determine how that looks in reality because you have absolutely no opinion on how we actually Leave.
I really dont understand what you can't comprehend. Most Brexiters (that I know) have one red line, ie that we leave the EU. We are happy to let our elected government sort out the fine details. Its not rocket science.

As long as it walks like Brexit, swims like Brexit and quacks like Brexit then its BREXIT.

Which take me back to something I've long thought - this mess could be over if the Daily Mail just told its disciples that we'd left........

Or what about your 'status quo' deal, which is presumably just remaining
Well I wouldn't like it obviously but I would accept it and then vote accordingly in the next election for an MP that will take us out of the EU. I wouldn't be protesting in the streets if that is what you mean.

this mess could be over if the Daily Mail just told its disciples that we'd left
If you dont like the message, blame the messenger.

It's all about eggs and cake.

LEAVER: I want an omelette.

REMAINER: Right. It’s just we haven’t got any eggs.

LEAVER: Yes, we have. There they are. [HE POINTS AT A CAKE]

REMAINER: They’re in the cake.

LEAVER: Yes, get them out of the cake, please.

REMAINER: But we voted in 1975 to put them into a cake.

LEAVER: Yes, but that cake has got icing on it. Nobody said there was going to be icing on it.

REMAINER: Icing is good.

LEAVER: And there are raisins in it. I don’t like raisins. Nobody mentioned raisins. I demand another vote.

DAVID CAMERON ENTERS.

DAVID CAMERON: OK.

DAVID CAMERON SCARPERS.

LEAVER: Right, where’s my omelette?

REMAINER: I told you, the eggs are in the cake.

LEAVER: Well, get them out.

EU: It’s our cake.

JEREMY CORBYN: Yes, get them out now.

REMAINER: I have absolutely no idea how to get them out. Don’t you know how to get them out?

LEAVER: Yes! You just get them out and then you make an omelette.

REMAINER: But how?! Didn’t you give this any thought?

LEAVER: Saboteur! You’re talking eggs down. We could make omelettes before the eggs went into the cake, so there’s no reason why we can’t make them now.

THERESA MAY: It’s OK, I can do it.

REMAINER: How?

THERESA MAY: There was a vote to remove the eggs from the cake, and so the eggs will be removed from the cake.

REMAINER: Yeah, but…

LEAVER: Hang on, if we take the eggs out of the cake, does that mean we don’t have any cake? I didn’t say I didn’t want the cake, just the bits I don’t like.

EU: It’s our cake.

REMAINER: But you can’t take the eggs out of the cake and then still have a cake.

LEAVER: You can. I saw the latest Bake Off and you can definitely make cakes without eggs in them. It’s just that they’re horrible.

REMAINER: Fine. Take the eggs out. See what happens.

LEAVER: It’s not my responsibility to take the eggs out. Get on with it.

REMAINER: Why should I have to come up with some long-winded incredibly difficult chemical process to extract eggs that have bonded at the molecular level to the cake, while somehow still having the cake?

LEAVER: You lost, get over it.

THERESA MAY: By the way, I’ve started the clock on this.

REMAINER: So I assume you have a plan?

THERESA MAY: Actually, back in a bit. Just having another election.

REMAINER: Jeremy, are you going to sort this out?

JEREMY CORBYN: Yes. No. Maybe.

EU: It’s our cake.

LEAVER: Where’s my omelette? I voted for an omelette.

REMAINER: This is ridiculous. This is never going to work. We should have another vote, or at least stop what we’re doing until we know how to get the eggs out of the cake while keeping the bits of the cake that we all like.

LEAVER/MAY/CORBYN: WE HAD A VOTE. STOP SABOTAGING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. EGGSIT MEANS EGGSIT.

REMAINER: Fine, I’m moving to France. The cakes are nicer there.

LEAVER: You can’t. We’ve taken your freedom of movement.

walkingdead
As long as it walks like Brexit, swims like Brexit and quacks like Brexit then its BREXIT.
So you would be happy with a Norway/Sweden outcome?

Will you be happy if the Government go with the Norway version on March 28th ?
Would also probably not be happy with that but might give it a go before I decided who I would vote for. I would need more info on that really.

Walkingdead
If both Labour and the Tories agreed on Norway/Switzerland
would you be happy?

Ta1kinpeace
Possibly, I really would need some more info. I would give it a go and see if it worked for the UK. Its not my optimal outcome but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand if most MPs said it was the best thing.

Taking the emotional aspect out of all this

The people voted, a decision was made.

By all means have another vote but why bother ever voting again if you know if the wrong decision was reached it wil be overturned!

People marched prior to the Gulf War, troops still went in, remind me who was PM at the time?

If you dont like the message, blame the messenger

The message you are sending is you want nothing more than the badge of saying we've left the EU.

You don't care if the country goes to hell in a hand cart to get there.

Likewise you don't care if there's no benefits of doing so.

It's literally just to say we are no longer in the EU.

Why?

You don't care if the country goes to hell in a hand cart to get there
Thats crap, I dont care about a badge. I do believe the UK will be BETTER out of the EU than in. I want my children to live in a GREAT country and its insulting to say I dont care about this.

ENGtech

Yes but but.....racists/ignorant/ didn’t know what they were voting for/ daily mail/ red bus/ catastrophe....

And all because they want to stay part of a European superstate the rest of us want rid of

I do believe the UK will be BETTER out of the EU than in. I want my children to live in a GREAT country and its insulting to say I dont care about this.

So tell us why?

Tell us why you think it doesn't matter what type of Brexit we have as long as we leave?

Bearbehind

Going ‘why why why’ in the style of a toddler is tedious. If you don’t understand the leaver perspective by now then you either aren’t listening or are being deliberately (provocatively) dense.

What’s so good about an indefinite future in an eu state?

What’s so good about an indefinite future in an eu state

For one thing it won’t involve Chris Grayling chartering ships to bring in emergency food and medicine.

Now that’s not me saying the EU is perfect but staying is a better option than risking a no deal Brexit.

PMSL 10

You think replacing 'why' with 'what's' makes it entirely different.

I don't understand the mentality of saying as long as we can say we've left, anything else is fine.

I'm not even sure many other Leavers would support that either.

Surely people want to achieve something by leaving.

So tell us why?
Because I don't think what the EU has become now and is moving towards in the future is good for the UK. I dont think its financially sensible, in so many ways. I dont think the EU is democratic. I dont think mass uncontrolled immigration is good. I dont think it works for the interests of UK citizens. I think it is protectionist. I think it has gone beyond sharing a bit of sovereignty and is now taking to much. I think some of the EU countries including Germany are to dependant on Russia. I think most EU countries expect 'others' to protect themselves. I think the EU people are moving dangerously to the right. I could go on but whats the point you dont accept anyone's opinion unless they are a remainer.

@Walkingdeadfangirl - those are all reasonable and sensible notions. They didn't persuade me but they are better than "you're all a bunch of elitist gits that don't care about us".

I think BREXIT will be overtaken by the Italian problems soon enough, but I stand to be corrected.

Time will tell

threats of economic Armageddon

When this comes true because our JIT manufacturing is exported and hundreds of thousands of jobs are lost, will you, @10degreestostarboard, hold up your hands and apologise? I strongly doubt it.

Doctor2

By making your prophesy with your crystal ball you presumably you already know if I have anything to apologise for....

Junker et al are not going to allow the kind of Brexit we want so a predefined set of criteria is worthless. if they made it easy, the rest would follow.
They are using every trick in the book to beat us with a stick.
This is not going to be a switch off on 29th March and all solutions in place on 30th, it will take time to iron out the detail.