Theresa May needs to resign!

[autumnbreeze25]

I have supported Theresa May throughout the last few years, and I voted for her in the elections confident she could be trusted. I considered her to be a practical, capable and considered leader at the helm for what was always going to the most challenging situation of our times.

However this trust has been replaced with a pressing need for her to either resign immediately or to be pushed out now.

TM in the last 24 hours has shown that she has failed miserably and she needs to go.

Where did the blazing leader that was going to fight to the end? She limped into the meeting and limped out conceding immediately! My eight year old could do a better job!

The EU were never ever going to give the UK any kind of 'deal'. This was never their intention. I am absolutely amazed anyone is even talking about a deal anymore. This idea is totally dead in the water. There is no deal, there was never going to be, and it is now time for a change in the leadership with full preparation to leave without a deal or switch to the Canada option. Even TM doesn't want to talk about the Chequers deal anymore.

We should walk away now or be forever in a limbo of a vassal state.

There is no way we should agree to any kind of extension that means we will still be paying enormous bills to the EU but will have no influence whatsoever over the decisions made. This is utterly unacceptable and leaves us in a very dangerous situation. How TM has managed to back herself into a corner of this nature is just beyond me, she has let the entire country down.

The traitor that is Oliver Robbins should do the decent thing and leave, this is all down to his 'advice' he has screwed her over properly for sure as he was really working for the other side all along (he can pick up his payment and pension from the EU on his way out)

I am incredulous that Theresa May is still in post, and I hope by the end of the week she will be replaced by someone capable of steering the country out of this unholy mess.

I am only interested in this thread if there a degree of balanced, intelligent views, but there is no chance of that clearly.

Well no, not when your solution to the Irish border is for Ireland to leave the EU too. You do realise Ireland is a separate country on its own right? I'd love for sometime to come on here and give me good reasons to leave the EU and the good things that are going to happen. I'd love for someone to allay my concerns about the effect it will have on the economy and our children's future but all we seem to get is people bleating on about democracy (that they clearly don't understand) and the will of the people.

& yes. I’ll bow out too - leave them to pat each other on the back about how vile & sarcastic they can be.

Bless em’

“You’ll be lucky if you get 100 000”
Gosh. Only one hundred thousand, compared to what - 20 and a dog, was it?

TM in the last 24 hours has shown that she has failed miserably and she needs to go.

Actually she stuff it up on the 30th March 2017 when she triggered a50. But nice of you to wake up.

In case you were wondering what the ongoing issue is and all the talk of the backstop let me get someone qualified to explain to you.

The Irish Border @BorderIrish
The backstop is the Good Friday Agreement for slow learners

Everyone anyone says its unacceptable for the EU to force the UK to have a backstop, what they are really referring to is the Good Friday Agreement and what they are saying, is "Its not fair for the EU to hold us to the the other international agreement we signed up to". The EU's position is simply to try and protect the agreement.

They don't want to admit that they are actually flirting with breaking an international peace agreement as they are determined to blame the EU for breaking the agreement.

If we break an international agreement then that doesn't really make any international agreement we sign up to worth the paper its written on, because we've proved that we can't be trusted to keep international agreements.

And whilst we might be able to convince our own population that it was all the EU's fault we defaulted on a peace agreement, no one else is going to buy into that shit.

Let me repeat: No Deal means breaking an international peace agreement. Its not a good look.

And given that Brexit involves making a bunch of international agreements in the form of new trade deals, this is really rather problematic.

This is why it doesn't really matter whether you are a Remainer or a Leaver at this point.

The whole thing is a clusterfuck and trying to worm your way through it by pretending that the backstop is something other than the GFA isn't going to help.

Pointing out that the DUP want nothing more but to destroy an agreement they always hated and never wanted is an uncomfortable truth to May. So is pointing out how yesterday emergency legislation in NI was passed so that civil servants can act as ministers without democratic accountability is also rather uncomfortable. So it pointing out the rather incestious ties that the DUP have to the most senior civil servants in NI. So is pointing out what Michael Gove has said in the past about the GFA: "The moral stain of such a process will prove hard to efface." He's not the only one by any means. And the Labour Party's biggest Leave supporter, Kate Hoey, also has this strange connection to NI and similar opinions.

Now we COULD still leave the EU with a deal and without the economic shock and practical crisis it creates and destroying our international reputation over international agreements.

But that involves a slow managed exit, and proper planning. Which we haven't even started yet.

Being in denail of the reality of the situation, doesn't change it or make it any better.

May for all her faults, is more honest about this and more aware of it, even if she doesn't admit it publically than virtually all her cabinet and a sizeable percentage of her party. Its easier to heckle from the sidelines than be the one who is faced with making these decisions.

Honestly. How does it help anyone if May resigns now? Or there is a leadership contest? Or there is a general election?

The problem still remains, and NO ONE IN UK POLITICS is offering a solution which addresses it.

A Canada Deal does not.

From the day the Referendum was announced its been obvious to anyone who understand the GFA that leaving the EU would throw up the NI issue. No one wanted to talk about it during the referendum.

Since the referendum, I've seen person after person say that don't know what the GFA is - including the fucking NI Minister, say its not their problem, they don't care about NI, how Ireland should 'rejoin the crown' and other equally varying degrees of fuckwittery.

This is the 19th October 2018. Not 23rd June 2016. Over 2 years after the vote and we are still going 'Oh yeah. Where's Northern Ireland?' And flapping our lips like demented gold fish over it.

I think May is bloody incompetent and a liability, but I look around and go, just like Johnny Mercer - "fucking hell this is a shit show" and don't beleive than anyone else would do a better job.

Simply because there is a Great Big Elephant in the room called the Good Friday Agreement that no one wants to admit or talk about properly.

Well, I think it's lovely that @surferjet has named herself after her favourite brand of soap powder. Quite right too. Glad to see she's seen sense to stop all this silly prittle prattle and is now off to polish her door knobs.

I think the DUP will be the downfall of this dire government and that's what happens when a bung is given.

It's the solution for Leavers isn't it?

Leave the EU.
May should leave.
Remainers should leave.
Ireland should leave.

I considered her to be a practical, capable and considered leader

Yes, YABU

I’m overseas in the EU, I don’t know if I can stay here after brexit.
There is no definitive answer to what will happen to ex pats in the eu already so suggesting remainers move to the eu is puerile.

This is us, too, and the constant uncertainly, and utter disgust with the mess that's been made is a constant source of anxiety. I am not loving it, having had no say but all the consequences, thanks to fools like the OP.

Oh for goodness sake.
She is way outof her depth and was a pretty poor home secretary so it is no surprise. However which of the delights would you like instead? Jacob, Boris, Michael, Gavin, Liam, JeremyH?? Or even Jeremy C or Farage?. At a time of crisis caused by the worse Prime Minister in several generations, Cameron, we do not need the Tory party to tear itself apart further. It is already as badly damaged as Labour.
Sadly she is the best of a bad lot.
I have voted "in/REMAIN" twice - and in 1970 what ever we were told it was a final irrevocable decision. All we have had since is the Brexiteers by what ever name carping on about "getting out of" Europe, they did not put up with the decision and look where we are. Screwed! Because they did not understand or lied about what the results would be.
I would prefer a re-run when people know what Brexit means - rather than the load of meaningless pie in the sky claims and lies we got in 2016.
But hey-ho change the leader- it will just make things worse

@autumnbreeze25 If you've put the kettle on, mine's a Mellow Birds, cream, two sugars. But don't worry about the Rich Tea biscuits, I'm watching my figure.

So, patriotic true BeLeavers, we've established clearly that there is a swarming network of traitorous Remoaners that is poisoning our glorious Brexit with the power of their negative thoughts and actions. I am sure that real patriots wouldn't just be keyboard-patting each other on the back in cyberspace on this momentous discovery, because, well, that's not actually making Brexit a success, is it?

So what are Leavers actually doing to deal with this terrible treasonous plague of Remaniacs? Campaigning for tougher laws? Raising funds for enlargement of prison facilities to incarcerate Remoaners? Gathering patriotic citizens' groups to detect and arrest the traitors?

She has an impossible job no wonder everyone from all sides thinks she's failing

I voted remain, still would I don't like the woman but I don't think anyone would be perceived as succeeding in dealing with this shit show

And hey look, here's the DUP helping matters

Sam McBride @SJAMcBride
Arlene Foster's trip to Dublin doesn't seem to have healed the DUP-Irish Government rift. Sammy Wilson this morning describes the Taoiseach as "vile Varadkar" whose behaviour is "despicable, low and rotten".

Seriously.

What is the plan for NI?

Do we think its going to go well, when this is going on?

Yes I am sure Juncker and Tusk are having yet another drink (on us I might add!) chuckling away as they take every hard earned penny from this bunch of remoaners. It is beyond me how these remoaners can not feel incensed as another enormous blood draining bill is presented to them.
I just feel they lack the intelligence to see we are pouring billions into the EU pot for the pleasure of having the EU make every single decision for us whether we like it or not. Where the hell is the upside apart from uncontrolled immigration and huge bills?

Are you drunk or just really stupid?

Thanks @RedToothBrush. Best explanation of the backstop I've heard yet.

Clandestino Great post. In any case whichever period Leavers are hankering after, they are being sold a MYTH. Nothing else, just a myth, but myths are extremely powerful in motivating people's actions.

Brexit is not pragmatic, Brexit will leave most British people worse off, Brexit threatens the U in United Kingdom, Brexit threatens food and medicine supplies, Brexit threatens our dc's education and Brexit threatens peace in the UK and Europe, Brexit threatens economic stability.

Brexit is in bad taste and actually quite unBritish. The government is not one bit adhering to the British values, the EU is much more faithful to these values (democracy; rule of law; individual liberty;
mutual respect for and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs and for those without faith.)

How dumb these people are falling for a fairy tale. So very ignorant.

Hahaha you know the Canadian option is a type of deal right?
What the hell did you think would happen when her own cabinet won't agree on anything apart from waiting for a magical agreement where the UK don't have to live in the real world.
No one in government has any answers to the questions, just bluster. We voted for a shitstorm and we got it.
If crashing out wasn't going to be a disaster, she'd have stopped struggling to get some sort of deal months ago

Lets also point out that Good Friday Agreement is the product of a democratic vote and was (and still is) the will of the people. Thats without mentioning that NI voted to Remain.

This obviously creates something of a conflict with the result of the referendum.

No one wants to address it. All they want to do is shout about how we have to do what the referendum said.

Except that Johnson, Gove, Farage, Hannan ALL said at the time of the vote we should do a Norway deal and remain in the customs union.

Even now, Hannan's current position is that yes, we SHOULD remain in the customs union - at least in the short term until we have got a shit together.

There is no consensus on what Leave actually meant. Indeed it was a deliberate strategy not to qualify it before the ref.

Which is why every man and his dog wants to tell you what Leaving means. When in truth its utterly meaningless and just the opinion of the individual spouting it.

ELEPHANT. ROOM.
NORTHERN IRELAND.

Talk about it.

Properly.

Not this fucking fantasy Irexit or forgetting Cromwell, a civil war and a declaration of flipping independence rather than wishing to be a 'Vassal state of the English Empire'.

Seriously.

Does that mean 48% of the country needs to leave ...but how we will get out when the planes aren't flying?

Have you built an Ark?

Boris is going to build a bridge.

A week ago we drove up to Belfast.
The usual flags, murals with IRA fighters etc.
Except, the sign "Welcome to Northern Ireland" was different. The Northern was painted over with black. It felt a bit chilly.

RedToothBrush I'm afraid that after years of dumbing down the British public people's understanding of democracy has been watered down, voting for BB or talent shows or Brexit is all about the feelz, it's utterly populistic. I think in terms of people's values and awareness, we are back in the middle ages. The period of enlightenment is, for now, over.

Brexit = cutting off your nose to spite your face

And for a bit of trivia cutting off your nose to spite your face is a medieval concept.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_off_the_nose_to_spite_the_face

"Cutting off the nose to spite the face" is an expression to describe a needlessly self-destructive over-reaction to a problem: "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face" is a warning against acting out of pique, or against pursuing revenge in a way that would damage oneself more than the object of one's anger.

One example of these cases is that of Saint Ebba, the Mother Superior of the monastery of Coldingham Priory. In AD 867, Viking pirates from Zealand and Uppsala landed in Scotland. When news of the raid reached Saint Ebba, she gathered her nuns together and urged them to disfigure themselves, so that they might be unappealing to the Vikings. In this way, they hoped to protect their chastity. She demonstrated this by cutting off her nose and upper lip, and the nuns proceeded to do the same. The Viking raiders were so disgusted that they burned the entire building to the ground with the nuns inside.

The expression has since become a blanket term for (often unwise) self-destructive actions motivated purely by anger or desire for revenge. For example, if a man was angered by his wife, he might burn down their house to punish her; however, burning down her house would also mean burning down his, along with all of their possessions.

just like Brexit.