Theresa May needs to resign!
autumnbreeze25 · 19/10/2018 08:44
I have supported Theresa May throughout the last few years, and I voted for her in the elections confident she could be trusted. I considered her to be a practical, capable and considered leader at the helm for what was always going to the most challenging situation of our times.
However this trust has been replaced with a pressing need for her to either resign immediately or to be pushed out now.
TM in the last 24 hours has shown that she has failed miserably and she needs to go.
Where did the blazing leader that was going to fight to the end? She limped into the meeting and limped out conceding immediately! My eight year old could do a better job!
The EU were never ever going to give the UK any kind of 'deal'. This was never their intention. I am absolutely amazed anyone is even talking about a deal anymore. This idea is totally dead in the water. There is no deal, there was never going to be, and it is now time for a change in the leadership with full preparation to leave without a deal or switch to the Canada option. Even TM doesn't want to talk about the Chequers deal anymore.
We should walk away now or be forever in a limbo of a vassal state.
There is no way we should agree to any kind of extension that means we will still be paying enormous bills to the EU but will have no influence whatsoever over the decisions made. This is utterly unacceptable and leaves us in a very dangerous situation. How TM has managed to back herself into a corner of this nature is just beyond me, she has let the entire country down.
The traitor that is Oliver Robbins should do the decent thing and leave, this is all down to his 'advice' he has screwed her over properly for sure as he was really working for the other side all along (he can pick up his payment and pension from the EU on his way out)
I am incredulous that Theresa May is still in post, and I hope by the end of the week she will be replaced by someone capable of steering the country out of this unholy mess.
surferjet · 19/10/2018 09:57
I don’t know op.
It’s a mystery to me.
I mean they love FOM but when they could make good use of it ( ie: leave the country they despise ) they choose to stay?
I know it’s not easy to just up & leave, but their lives are ruined here after brexit ( according to them ) so they haven’t got much to lose have they?
But tomorrow’s march should get them in the Guinness book of records if nothing else - how many middle class middle aged tossers can you fit into one square mile of London?
Lweji · 19/10/2018 09:58
How about the UK get a backbone and say we will be stronger and we can exsist without the EU.
The EU will be laughing at this. Of course you can exist without the EU. However, the consequences of leaving and, crucially, the leaving process haven't been really thought out by campaigners or voters.
Will the UK be stronger? Doubt it. Even Brexit campaigners probably wouldn't say it, if they were forced to tell the truth.
Elasticity · 19/10/2018 09:59
52% voted Leave (me included - fell for the lies). 48% voted Remain.
- Vast majority of remain voters would continue to support remaining (lets say 95%)
- A majority of leave voters (lets say 70%, but I feel I'm being very generous here) support a straight up hard, no-deal brexit
- A minority of leave voters would now vote remain (people such as myself and other people I have spoke to who are experiencing 'bregret', again I'll be generous and say only 5%)
So now we have something like:
36.4% (52% x 0.7) of voters supporting a hard brexit (the kind you see commenting on the Daily Mail"JUST LEAVE" etc)
45.6% (48% x 0.95) + 2.6% (52% x 0.05) = 48.4% supporting remain
The remaining 18% consisting of on the fence former remainers and a big chunk of those who voted leave but have enough common sense to not want no-deal.
In a deal representing something along the lines of Norway (paying to still access single market/customs union - but with less say on the rules), with a people's vote I fully expect the agreed deal to beat no-deal.
In a straight up repeat of the referendum, I expect remain to win given we now know the option is essentially no deal (awful) or something that involves us paying to remain part of the SM etc with no meaningful say (and therefore is not preferable to remaining).
The chunk of leave voters who do not support no deal will prefer to either remain or a watered down brexit (even though that is inferior to remaining on our current terms)
Lweji · 19/10/2018 10:02
and to understand democracy.
Elections are run because people change their minds and circumstances change.
In countries with Constitutions, any changes to the Constitution are usually only made by 2/3 of parliament members for a reason.
That the UK Government decided to go for something as big as Brexit on a small margin win on a referendum is mind boggling.
BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2018 10:03
OP: you don't seem to understand democracy
Yes, Leavers won and that means the government is organising (😂) Brexit
This doesn't mean that Remainers are not allowed to protest
What you are demanding would be a dictatorship
Maybe instead of Remainers moving to France, you try moving to Russia
Motheroffourdragons · 19/10/2018 10:03
I’m overseas in the EU, I don’t know if I can stay here after brexit.
There is no definitive answer to what will happen to ex pats in the eu already so suggesting remainers move to the eu is puerile.
I can’t understand why leavers are so afraid of another vote.
You’re so convinced the will of the people is to leave so surely another vote will only reinforce that.
jasjas1973 · 19/10/2018 10:04
You say we are a democracy yet you bandy about the word traitor for anyone who disagrees with you? sorry, but thats not democracy.
We are all free to disagree, change our minds or not even vote without being called Traitors with all that word implies.
There is no-deal to be had that benefits the UK, TM, DD or JRM it doesn't matter, they would all be in exactly the same boat as TM, now if she hadn't called that GE and now be in hock to the DUP, thats another matter but we ve no time machine.
The Canada style FTA will take years to negotiate, that is what the transition period is for, with no deal, there is no transition period, so we have to negotiate deals to keep planes flying, imports and exports, with individual countries and mini deals with the EU and still pay our liabilities to them also.
The GFA took 20 years to be agreed, to rip it up and start again would be foolhardy in the extreme, would you like to comfort the widow (and children) of the first customs officer murdered because of your rash decision?
You are not thinking through your thoughts properly.
Undoing 40 + years of EEC/EU agreements cannot be done in 2 years, its impossible.
Revoke art50 and start to reform the EU is the only way forward, we ve willing partners in Germany, France, Sweden and Poland now.
autumnbreeze25 · 19/10/2018 10:05
I'm pretty sure the EU will be laughing it's head off at a protest dedicated to tell them how great they are and how we cannot live without them.
How about the UK get a backbone and say we will be stronger and we can exsist without the EU
Yes I am sure Juncker and Tusk are having yet another drink (on us I might add!) chuckling away as they take every hard earned penny from this bunch of remoaners. It is beyond me how these remoaners can not feel incensed as another enormous blood draining bill is presented to them.
I just feel they lack the intelligence to see we are pouring billions into the EU pot for the pleasure of having the EU make every single decision for us whether we like it or not. Where the hell is the upside apart from uncontrolled immigration and huge bills?
It beggars belief, but yet they are still yelling from the roof tops. It is tragic.
The solution to the Irish problem is for Ireland to leave the EU as well.
Clandestino · 19/10/2018 10:08
The solution to the Irish problem is for Ireland to leave the EU as well.
Oh cool. And then what? Crawl back to the Commonwealth? See the multinationals leaving Ireland for mainland? Farmers giving up on subsidies from the EU? Universities giving back their funding from the EU?
Thank you, I think Ireland would prefer to get the jobs now coming from the UK. More business for the country, thank you very much.
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