To avoid women who do not like women

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If another women thinks women in general are bitchy, gossipy and much prefer men as she thinks they are more straightforward, then no I am not going to want to talk to you or spend time with you. If you show contempt for women in general, why would I want to talk to you?

You're making my point for me but since you don't understand what I'm saying, there's little to be gained from carrying on. I'm going to leave it there because this wasn't what the thread was about.

I was physically and emotionally abused as a child. And had an awful time with bullying at an all girls school. I fell out with my old best friends when I felt like I was taken for granted

I haven't had good experiences with women and find it easier to talk to men.

I love how when someone’s lived experiences are different from someone else’s on here it must be due ‘internalised misogyny’. It seems like such a weasely slur from people too lazy to articulate a persuasive rebuttal.

Tbh I don't much like woman. Or men. Or most people. In fact I really don't like "people." Most of them are self absorbed or overly nosey or otherwise thoroughly flawed as we all are.

I love my kids, my family, my close friends, conversations with strangers and when I get on with my neighbours.
I love talking until 3am and travelling half way across the country for people and knowing they'd do the same for me. I love people.

But most women? Yeah they're bitches. Normally want something from you (usually gossip)
Most men? Normally want something from you (usually sex, also gossip)

So I used to be "mostly be friends with lads"
Now I have found my soul sisters my true friends in women.

But people in general? Don't like em much at all 🙄

I used to think I got on with men better, but now I realise it was because most of them liked having me around because i was pretty and open minded and they thought they might get to shag me and some of them did.
The older I got, the more I could see through them. I dont really trust any of them anymore and I am only really interested in female friendships, as as soon as you open up about anything to a bloke, they think you want to fuck them.

Branleuse
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Story of my life.
The day I realised all my meals friends were just playing the long game was a tough and lonely one because I used to be "friends with men" but since then I have found some truly amazing and inspiring woman.

I think generally men are more straightforward than women and a lot of women can be bitchy and two faced.

It’s nothing to do with contempt, it’s to do with personality therefore gender is irrelevant

And you don't see how these two statements contradict each other?

Actually this shit really pisses me off.
I have Asperger's. I couldn't be manipulative if I tried. I don't do ulterior motives.
But because so many people read my communication/body language as a bit "off", and because I'm female and there's this stupid, ridiculous, insulting stereotype, I get bullied and disliked repeatedly because some idiots project a bunch of stuff onto me that just isn't there.
That I come across as "false" (masking), that they don't trust me, that I'm making a deliberate dig when I say something clumsy.

Whereas really I'm completely straightforward and well-intentioned - you know, how all these marvelous men supposedly are.

I had an open mind for the first 30 years of my life but after the things I’ve been through all at the hands of women I’ll admit I am very very wary
But I have a couple (literally 2) amazing friends so not all women are bad but sadly for me the majority I’ve had anything to do with were absolutely horrible

I always assumed that women who proudly admit they don’t like women are:

1 autistic
2 have such low self esteem they live for male approval, and other women are a threat to that
3 both of the above

@LethalWhite I've been very saddened to see how many autistic woman seem to feel that way, seeing as I'm one myself.

I haven't read all the comments just the first few but I'll add my thoughts/feelings on this.

I'd really love a close female friendship group. I have a few females friends but we're not close and in fact my best friend is male.

Truth is I'm scared of other women. And it definitely stems from issues with my mother and sisters growing up. I dont want to go in to it too much but let's just say there was a lot of abuse thrown at me from a young age so much so that I'm now NC with all of them.
I was also bullied by lots of girl 'gangs' at school and I guess I found safety with the guys.
It's not that I dislike women, as I said I'd love, even just a couple, of really close female friends but I feel scared/intimidated when I'm around them. I find it hard to get past that so I never get the chance 'bond' with any women really. I can be around/get along with women don't get me wrong, it's just usually (not always) accompanied by a feeling of unease.
I had one female friend, we'd been good friends since we were teenagers and were sort of thrown together, grew up together and that was easy and lovely but she stabbed me in the back last year and she's not spoken to me since (tbh after what she did I don't care to speak to her again either, although I am sad that the friendship came to a sudden end in the way that it did)

So anyway, it's not all to do with simply disliking women and wanting all the attention from men or whatever, some people just cant for their own reasons.

Funnily enough I know a guy who prefers to be around women because he had such a good relationship with his mother and sister and not so many good memories of the men in his life so he prefers the company of woman. Works both ways too.

Who do you think it was who won for women the right to vote? To have abortions? To work and be educated without male permission? It was feminists, that's who.

Yes. And maybe those women would have identified as feminists in 1880 or 1918 or even 1950. That doesn’t mean we have to identify with feminists or the entire feminist agenda now.

I think feminists are currently doing a lot of important work around the GRA but there are other aspects of the dominant feminist agenda that I don’t support, particularly calls for rape guilt to be established on the basis of allegation alone, even in the complete absence of evidence, and those accused of rape having to prove themselves innocent.

But then I never like to describe myself as an -ist or -ism at all because I find people that do are dogmatic and not open to new ways of thinking.

im autistic and I think thats one of the reasons im so wary of men, as I could never tell when they were flirting or if they thought i was flirting (I dont understand flirting at all. It freaks me out now)and I ended up in many situations where i ended up shagging someone i didnt really want to out of politeness but had no idea how id got into that situation in the first place. Women are safer. They dont take advantage, and tbh, theyre usually deeper and more interesting

I am autistic too
The final thing recently for me was finding out by accident what s large group of women thought about me it’s destroyed me

In the past I have had very few female friends and always preferred the company of males. I put that down to bullying from girls throughout school then being excluded in my first job by females. It wasn't that I believed all women were like that because I didn't, but those experiences made me more guarded and that translated to not really making close female friendships.

I have recently made more female friends through my job and I love their company. They are not complicated or bitchy. I have now found that I make friends much easier than I did a couple of years ago. I am so very glad of the change. Meeting my best friend opened the door to me feeling confident enough to make more friends.

Yes. And maybe those women would have identified as feminists in 1880 or 1918 or even 1950. That doesn’t mean we have to identify with feminists or the entire feminist agenda now.

I'm not sure what the "entire feminist agenda" is. I do know that hard-won rights should never be taken for granted, and that if all these rights won by feminists are ever under serious threat, it won't be all those lovely, straightforward, non-gossippy blokes or the Cool Girls who pander to them who will be there trying to protect them - it'll be feminists.

I think feminists are currently doing a lot of important work around the GRA but there are other aspects of the dominant feminist agenda that I don’t support

Sounds like a spurious argument. "Feminism" isn't a political party with a declared manifesto. It's a philosophy, fighting for the rights of women and girls. If that's not nuanced enough for you, fine.

Yes I'm an Aspie too. It does make it difficult to interact with all female groups. I don't think Aspie = Internalised misogyny. ymmv.

I'm not sure what the "entire feminist agenda" is. I do know that hard-won rights should never be taken for granted, and that if all these rights won by feminists are ever under serious threat, it won't be all those lovely, straightforward, non-gossippy blokes or the Cool Girls who pander to them who will be there trying to protect them - it'll be feminists.

Yes to this!

I get on fine with most women and men as individuals, talking about whatever has brought us into contact. But when it comes to groups and making small talk, it's a different thing.

There's many men who can only do sports small talk, which is very tedious if it's basically 'My team rah! Their team boo!' and less so if they actually know their stuff, but I'm unlikely to want to listen to much of it. Similarly there are women who start with small talk about clothes, makeup and diets, which I find equally tedious unless again it gets into detail, but while sports fans generally accept lack of interest in their team or sport, lack of interest in diets and makeup is often taken more personally.

The women and men I get on with generally ditch the small talk rapidly and get to the 'big talk' - my experience is that more women than men want to stay superficial.

I've now got similar numbers of male and female friends but now finding most of us are autistic as our children get diagnosed.

Well I find all people difficult and prefer animals tbh

Well I find all people difficult and prefer animals tbh

Yes! This ^^

That doesn’t mean we have to identify with feminists or the entire feminist agenda now.“

What is “the entire feminist agenda”?

I tend to get on with men better but its more of a confidence thing.

I am worried about being judged more with women if approach them, i think i care about their good opinion and I find it hard to be myself (therefore making myself less likeable).

I love female friendship i just find it more difficult to form close bonds with women so i end up with more male friendship.

Ha! A good friend used to say she hated other women, they're all bitches, men are more straightforward, yadda. Loved men's company (for self esteem purposes?). Tried to arrange a fuck with my DP then stopped speaking to me. Last seen having an affair with another mutual friend's husband.