To be fed up beyond belief with the trans activists

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I'm so sick of the bigotry now. Surely these people just want to have a piss in peace without being hassled?
What rights is it exactly that the trans activists are shit scared that women are going to lose out on?
I wish they'd all just be quiet and let others live their lives how they see fit without reprisal or judgement from narrow minded idiots.
I honestly feel that this debate is just a platform for the bigots to congregate to attack a minority because we all know what attaching ethnic minorities, gays, lesbians etc is just not acceptable. How is this any different?

Yes the quality of writing certainly is... Errr 'Quality'

Found this quote in an old notebook, made me think of this thread,

“Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance”- Albert Einstein

TAs don't behave that much differently than the activists of anyother minority group, it is just people tended to not notice the abuse and invective and death threats directed towards in opposition of homosexuality because then it was happening to "the bad guys" whereas here it is happening to "the good guys". One person's terrorist being another person's freedom fighter and all that.

In fact if anything TAs are more restrained when it comes to the physical stuff at least. To my knowledge there is one known case of a "terf" getting physically assaulted, whereas I would take a punt that there have been way more cases of a homophobe getting a thump for a homosexual, a white racist getting one from a black person (or at least the relevant people were being perceived to be being racist or homophobic).

Still though, yes it would be better if people did not do these things and behaved more civilly.

I wonder how many would 'transition' if the law said: sure self id as whatever you like but that will NOT give you access to opposite SEX spaces and services. Not ever.
I'd bet a good many would change their minds overnight.

Be interesting to see either way.

I can't tell you how angry I feel as the parent of a wheelchair-bound DS, when I read about women who don't want to share the Ladies with a biological man, being advised to use the disabled toilets instead. Disabled people fought for a long time for these accessible toilets and there are still not enough of them.

If trans activists feel that the current provisions don't meet their needs then they need to campaign for them, like disabled people and (prior to that) women. How entitled do you have to be to demand to take over other groups' facilities?

For me it's pretty simple, humans can't change from one sex to the other. It's simply not possible and no law should be brought in on the ludicrous fiction that it is.

Break the stereotypes, wear what you like, challenge the gender binary etc etc. It's to be encouraged in fact. Fantastic.
Be a 'feminine' man though. That's perfect if it's what you want. And I'd fight for your right to do so all day long .

You're NOT a woman though.

Tell me you are and my support goes away.

Trans activists have been smoke bombing the media this evening. Hopefully more people will understand now why so many women have concerns about these violent activists accessing womens spaces and will fill in the GRA consultation! twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1053318957980094465

”How entitled do you have to be to demand to take over other groups' facilities?”

A male level of entitled, it seems to me, @Livingtothefull. I share your anger at the misuse of disabled loos.

Yes indeed SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius....only men (and that includes trans women who were brought up and socialised as men) could have that level of entitlement, which is very familiar and held by no means all men but a significant proportion. In their arrogance and lack of consideration for women and for other vulnerable groups, trans activists act like stereotypical chauvinist males, it is clear they are not women as they have no insight into women's concerns.

It's been posted elsewhere but just to publicise it further: the deadline to submit views re the Gender Recognition Act has been extended to midday Monday:

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004

Please please protect safe spaces for women and ensure you submit your views while this is still open.

Bump - we now have until Monday at noon to fill in the consultation. Do it in a few minutes here: www.fairplayforwomen.com

Yes, let's all have a final push at friends, family to fill in the consultation. Come on sisters!!! (can't believe I just wrote that)

In their arrogance and lack of consideration for women and for other vulnerable groups, trans activists act like stereotypical chauvinist males, it is clear they are not women as they have no insight into women's concerns. Spot on. They've shot themselves in the foot because many of us had empathy way back at the start and would have fully supported them. Idiots!!

There's something about their tone of voice that just says 'man'.

Like I just read this Q&A with Pips Bunce:
wearethecity.com/inspirational-profile-pips-bunce-director-credit-suisse/
All about standing up for people, but doesn't mention equal pay. Does he/she get paid less on the days he is a she? Hanging around chatting to 'trans' kids though.

To my knowledge there is one known case of a "terf" getting physically assaulted,

Nope. I can think of two physical assaults, plus an alleged triple murder.

No actually I can think of three physical assaults off the top of my head.

Livingtothefull I have just responded to the consultation and urge others to do the same if you have not done so.

I thought I had filled in the consultation, but thought I would check - it has let me fill it in, so I can only assume I hadn’t done so already.

Done now, though.

I did it. Although probably just howling into the abyss, since I'm sure the outcome is already a done deal.

Loki well, it would because it still rests on the deceit that someone can change sex. They can't. And most men, post-surgery or not, still look like men and I still don't want them in women's safe spaces, because I am then colluding with the lie that they've changed sex. A chemically and surgically castrated man is still a man.

This is the type of shit I'm talking about that seems to slip under the radar, but not too much that it goes against the hive mentality.
Not acceptable to me. Not at all.

Occurred to me that any bio male who calls themselves transgender AND forces themselves into women's showers etc BUT doesn't already have the willy cut off, is just a transvestite or a drag queen. The only purpose for having a thousand different labels and a "spectrum" as long as your arm, is merely to confuse the issue so much in the average person's mind, which enables them all to slip into the women's showers etc.

I think the way the legal process works for changing gender, is backwards and designed to enable the terrorizing of women. Any large hairy oaf without the slightest bit of effort can visit the doctor, claim they want to "practice living as a woman" and that afternoon can charge into the women's showers.

There should be TWO different pieces of paper. One that says they're about to start practicing wearing the woman costume -- and this one DOESN'T allow them anywhere near a naked woman. And the second piece of paper which says they got the bottom snip. Like others have said, I bet there would be far less interest in "changing gender" if doing so required an actual commitment.

(In reality I don't agree that humans can ever change their sex, but if we're going to pander to the mentally ill then this is a compromise which prioritizes WOMEN AND GIRLS, instead of any random man who wants to take advantage of the transloopholes.)

@snapnfarter My half sister started ftm transitioning 8yrs ago. She's since pulled out of it and come out as a lesbian. The main issue she faced was as a Pakastani Muslim she was accepted more as 'in the wrong body', than being attracted to the 'wrong sex'. It's not always about 'us as woke individuals banging on about acceptance for everyone', it's also about families, religions that won't accept individuals as whoever they are and pushing their own agendas. Susie Green is funnily still banging the drum when her transitioned child isn't so fussed in the issue as much...

I'm probably out of step with the majority here, but I would personally not be unhappy sharing a changing room with a MtF who had gone through the whole surgical and chemical transition.
They will still be a biological man of course, but they will have demonstrated to my own satisfaction that they have gone through that process for genuine reasons, and are not a danger to me.
Others will think differently of course.

GladAllOver
I'm with you. Once someone has fully transitioned I personally have no issue sharing spaces (but think they shouldn't be allowed in sports).
Fully transitioned, living a a close to the opposite sex/gender life as they can to alleviate dysphoria, I have no issues.
To me, they are the trans women we've been sharing spaces with for years. I don't think you can change sex but I can live with that.

The new type of "I'm a woman and you can suck my lady dick if you challenge me on my male aggression" individuals are a threat to anyone who isn't a well built man.