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To be fed up beyond belief with the trans activists

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snapnfarter · 17/10/2018 16:40

I'm so sick of the bigotry now. Surely these people just want to have a piss in peace without being hassled?
What rights is it exactly that the trans activists are shit scared that women are going to lose out on?
I wish they'd all just be quiet and let others live their lives how they see fit without reprisal or judgement from narrow minded idiots.
I honestly feel that this debate is just a platform for the bigots to congregate to attack a minority because we all know what attaching ethnic minorities, gays, lesbians etc is just not acceptable. How is this any different?

OP posts:
Sonixx · 18/10/2018 19:47

This video made me feel sick. Underneath there's a list of the details of men in the US/Canada who've raped and assaulted women, whilst either IDing as Trans or who decided they were after being convicted.

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=285&v=uzwMJAFWLtQ

Livingtothefull · 18/10/2018 19:49

I am guessing that what the op and some posters are referring to as 'narrow mindedness' and 'bigotry' is the genuine frustration and anger by women at being expected to tolerate the intolerable and not being accepting and 'nurturing' as they supposed to do.

The thing is that a lot of all this echoes what women have to go through; being asked to accept the unacceptable, being ignored or talked down to. I have nothing at all against genuine transsexuals and would like them to be free to live their lives in peace - but I don't believe their rights trump women's rights to safety, comfort and respect.

I don't think all men are the enemy - with a DS, DH, DF and DB I would be in a bad way if I believe that. But I have lived long enough to have had a basinful of being patronised, 'mansplained' and talked down to - and that's before I even talk about the physical threat let alone actual physical harm I have faced. And it's a rare and lucky woman who hasn't experienced much the same, from a significant minority of men.

It all has a familiar ring to it you see; for all the trans activists claim to be women they behave more like these men in the way they try to ensure women are disregarded and shouted down and if that doesn't work, actively threatened. It is wearily familiar:

Men telling women what they should do;
Men defining for women who they are ('ciswomen') without consulting women;
Men blocking discussion with women about things that most nearly concern them, and conducting the discussion instead over their heads;
Men (literally) muscling in on women's private spaces;
Men threatening women with rape/violence if they don't comply ('Suck my lady dick!'/abuse and threats on social media etc)

Hmm...I rack my brains to think of historical precedents for all of that. And the worst is, some of the people who support this have the effrontery to describe themselves as feminists.

PennyArcade · 18/10/2018 20:00

I have just had a sudden thought.... Women (as we know them) can no longer be described as women because men with penises are now women... What about little girls? Can girls still be described as girls? - or do girls have to have a penis now?

Thats a very sobering thought! What is the World coming to? 🤦🤷

PositivelyPERF · 18/10/2018 20:07

PennyArcade

or do girls have to have a penis now?

According to the GIRL guilds, yes. They are permitting boys into the guilds, if they identify as girls and men as leaders/helpers, if they identify as women. There are numerous threads on that load of shite.

PennyArcade · 18/10/2018 20:30

PositivelyPERF

That wasn't the answer I wanted but I very much expected 🙁 So sad when girls can't be girls any more.... Can boys and men still be described as boys and men now? Or has the mangina taken over?

This is very difficult for adults to take on board. I feel so sorry for our grandaughters. Where is their place in this world?

All those women who died for women's rights... For what? Makes you think. So sad.. 😥

Chalkhillblu3 · 18/10/2018 23:21

I really hate the invented term Cis. Who the hell decided that I am in a subdivision of women?

jillowarriorqueen · 18/10/2018 23:25

OP - yeah, YANBU! I too am fed up beyond belief by the bigotry of the TRAs. All actual feminists are to be honest.

N.B. I hope you take this opportunity to educate yourself on the actual terminology and associated issues that women (adult female humans) have with this bs gender feels rubbish :)

Graphista · 18/10/2018 23:27

On question time now self id being discussed

cantquitebelieveit12 · 18/10/2018 23:46

Why do I feel that if thousands of women woke up tmw & told everyone they were self IDing as men and demanded equal pay, acess to men’s toilets, gentlemen’s club etc.. then there would be a huge, well publicised debate?

jillowarriorqueen · 18/10/2018 23:54

I am female - not because I feel that way. But because my body presented itself that way when I was born and thus people treated me as that. End of. My lived experience was a result of this biology.

This is not about feelings and all about biology and truth.

Graphista · 19/10/2018 00:04

"Why do I feel that if thousands of women woke up tmw & told everyone they were self IDing as men and demanded equal pay, acess to men’s toilets, gentlemen’s club etc.. then there would be a huge, well publicised debate?"

That sounds like a damn good idea actually

"Ok we'll have self ID. I now identify as male. Can I have my male privilege now please? Can I have more money, more opportunities. fewer responsibilities (inc the ability to walk away from my family without paying cm), better treatment from the nhs, banks, employers, businesses? Great thanks!'

paffuto · 19/10/2018 00:08

And the worse is, some of the people who support this have the effrontery to describe themselves as feminists. Yes, this. Talk about adding insult to injury!

paffuto · 19/10/2018 00:13

Theoretically Graphista, there's nothing to stop us all doing that is there? Wonder how far we'd get?

cantquitebelieveit12 · 19/10/2018 00:13

I’m up for it “Graphista”

cantquitebelieveit12 · 19/10/2018 00:15

Wonder how far we'd get?

me thinks not far as the men won’t like it.

If I self id as a man can I pray with the other men at the mosque? Whose rights are the top trumps?

Chalkhillblu3 · 19/10/2018 00:16

Remember the trouble that hospitals had to go through a few years ago to guarantee single sex bays and bathrooms - because that had been demonstrated to be patients' highest priority to maintain their privacy and dignity:
www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/AboutNHSservices/NHShospitals/Documents/Privacy%20and%20dignity.pdf

Thurmanmurman · 19/10/2018 00:20

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WickedLazy · 19/10/2018 00:31

"It must be so difficult being ‘woke’, when you haven’t a fucking clue what is going on."

^This. You did say "I know I'm not educated on the issue, but I don't feel the need to be". Ignorance is bliss?

I genuinely don't mind men wearing dresses or make up or whatever, so surely that makes me more open minded than someone who can only accept these men, if they're relabelled as women..? I was in a relationship with an autogynephilic, and god was that eye opening. I thought he was a bog standard cross dresser at first, and was fine with that, but wow was I wrong. Not all transwomen are like Haylee bloody Crooper, but not everyone realises this, the fetish aspects etc.

Graphista · 19/10/2018 00:31

Would be a bloody interesting experiment eh? Maybe we should have a "declare yourself a man" day?

PositivelyPERF · 19/10/2018 00:32

God you’re fucking thick

My goodness, that’s so deep. I can feel tum fluttering with wokeness. 😲

No, sorry that was wind, from the macadamia nuts. Lying bastards told me they identified as fruit.

WickedLazy · 19/10/2018 00:39

If you actually want to learn something, read the trans widows thread here on mn. They know these men better than anyone, including most tra's. And most of what they have to say is quite grim.

Chalkhillblu3 · 19/10/2018 00:44

OK so what if a woman in labour goes into hospital and declares herself a man? Can she give birth in the male bay? Can men with cushions up their pyjamas be cared for on the labour ward?

ItsalmostSummer · 19/10/2018 00:54

What gets me is most threads saying the opposite of this and voicing REAL women’s opinions and how they feel just get pushed back to the feminist board. Meanwhile an anti-women thread advocating the trans movement gets to stay on AIBU. Get real @MNHQ. WHAT A JOKE!!!!!

paffuto · 19/10/2018 01:13

PositivelyPERF Grin Grin Every time I'm starting to feel really low, even despairing about all this, someone makes me smile. Thankyou PERF.

nellieellie · 19/10/2018 01:18

Well OP. You are very modern, being fine with seeing penises. Good on you. However, if I am in my gym in the showers, with no clothes on, turn round and see a male body with penis next to me, I would hate it. If I were in a communal changing room, especially at a quiet time and saw a male body next to me with a penis, I would hate it. Depending on how many people were around, I might feel threatened and frightened too. Don’t forget the transwoman is quite possibly sexually attracted to women so could be looking at women getting undressed too.
If my very shy daughter is changing for PE at school, and there is a trans girl with a boys body changing next to her, but she knew she couldn’t make a fuss because that would be transphobic, she would be extremely upset. Can you imagine? Just as you’re developing breasts, a male classmate identifying as a girl, but still with male hormones and an interest in girls, is right next to you sneaking a look at you, and there’s nothing you can do, because you’ve been silenced.
Oh, let’s think about the rocketing figures for sexual assaults against women - especially in universities and schools. Let’s think about how many women and girls are routinely sexually harassed.
But no, you’re OK with that penis. So that’s fine then.

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