To be fed up beyond belief with the trans activists

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I'm so sick of the bigotry now. Surely these people just want to have a piss in peace without being hassled?
What rights is it exactly that the trans activists are shit scared that women are going to lose out on?
I wish they'd all just be quiet and let others live their lives how they see fit without reprisal or judgement from narrow minded idiots.
I honestly feel that this debate is just a platform for the bigots to congregate to attack a minority because we all know what attaching ethnic minorities, gays, lesbians etc is just not acceptable. How is this any different?

Gonzales27 here's another useful quote which I saw last week, Not all women share my views, but my views do protect all women.

There is a tension between two groups' rights but I keep being told there isn't. It feels like gaslighting!

It is. There is demonstrably a conflict of rights here.

I've just been directed to a site called kiwi Farm by a friend. It's quite interesting if you google Mumsnet and kiwi Farm to see the discussion about how we are standing up for women's rights. They call (I'm presuming transgender people) troons does anybody know what this means?

Anyway they seem very clear about their feelings about how men are using the transgender movement as a smokescreen 4 sexually deviant behaviour.

They call (I'm presuming transgender people) troons does anybody know what this means?

According to Urban Dictionary, troon is "Someone who says they are the opposite gender, but do not make any attempt to pass of as one, typically gets mad when they are misgendered".

You wouldn't just be accused of transphobia, OpinionCat, you would likely be deemed to have committed some kind of hate crime. Nevermind the reasons you may have for the request - history of abuse, religious reasons, there are many. I even have lesbian friends who are being told they are bigots for 'reducing people to body parts' in not accepting that 'women can have penises' and saying they wouldn't want a relationship with a biological man. It's a crazy place to be in right now, and it really fucking grinds my gears when people are so quick to dismiss valid reservations in favour of hurling abuse.

“Honestly, I don't know the answer. But I am honest enough to admit that trans gender people can't live their life with dignity if the rest of us insist that trans women have to use the men's toilet.“

What about the dignity, privacy, peace of mind and boundaries of women and girls who don’t want msles in their loos, changing rooms etc? Serms like a clash of which groups dignity matters most.

I won't refer to them as "she". I will avoid pronouns altogether as I don't believe she is appropriate for a male and I don't like being controlled by emotional blackmail and gaslighting.

Nor do I. I used to refer to transpeople by their preferred pronoun, out of courtesy. I've never ever believed that a trans woman is an actual woman.

But when trans activism took off, I stopped. It's "they" all the way.

“There is no anti trans movement“

If women concerned about keeping female areas and sports and wanting the definition of woman to remaing being “adult human female“ is anti trans - does that mean that transwomen/activists are anti female for campaigning for an end to female sex seggregated spaces and sports, for the current definition of woman to be changed to include males?

Nor do I. I used to refer to transpeople by their preferred pronoun, out of courtesy. I've never ever believed that a trans woman is an actual woman.

But when trans activism took off, I stopped. It's "they" all the way.

Unfortunately it is inevitable that genuine fully confirmed and medically treated trans women will suffer if they are overwhelmed by numbers of men abusing self ID.

They call (I'm presuming transgender people) troons does anybody know what this means?

Trans plus "loon." Just providing a definition btw. Not using as a term of insult against anyone.

“But the law says that anyone with a GRC will be accepted as having changed sex. They will have the same rights as their chosen sex. I don't see how you can then legally choose not to allow them those rights. That surely would be seen as discrimination based on a protected characteristic“

True, it was a really bad law passed mostly by males for the benefit of males to access every female sphere in society. It us forcing a lie on society- i’d like to see the GRA repealed. If a TW truly looks and sounds female enough to go totally unnoticed in female areas - then they Will be able to continue to use female spaces and cause no distress to the women and girls there. If they look and dound male then another space should be used.

There’s something really wrong when women and girls are being forced to accommodate males in female spaces and pretend they are actually female.

I won't refer to them as "she". I will avoid pronouns altogether as I don't believe she is appropriate for a male and I don't like being controlled by emotional blackmail and gaslighting

That's great! Until you work with someone, in uniform, who wants to be known as Phil sometimes and Philippa other times. He/she presents exactly the same, whether Phil or Phillippa... how the fuck is anyone supposed to know how he 'feelz' today?

I call him/her Phil when today he feels like Philippa and I land up in court, for hurting his/her feelings!

Come on, this is trespassing on everyone's Human Rights!

True, it was a really bad law passed mostly by males for the benefit of males to access every female sphere in society. It us forcing a lie on society- i’d like to see the GRA repealed. If a TW truly looks and sounds female enough to go totally unnoticed in female areas - then they Will be able to continue to use female spaces and cause no distress to the women and girls there. If they look and dound male then another space should be used.

Yes, this exactly.

@DonkeyHotei
I and my DCs have been to 6 different swimming pools over the last 6 years. They have included:
2 schools (one special school, one secondary school). Both had open changing rooms, one for girls and one for boys. Not a single cubicle in sight.
2 private health clubs, one had 2-3 small cubicles (very impractical for getting a child changed at the same time as you) and one had no private cubicles.
1 council pool, which has some cubicles around an open area and two large communal changing rooms with no cubicles. You'd use the latter if taking a school or Guides group swimming, but I think you can book it. But no, I don't want male children or leaders saying they are women and getting changed in there.

1 college pool, which is the same as the council one, except that there isn't a facility for closing off the communal changing room when a school/Guides/Scouts group is at the pool. We took the Rainbows swimming and they definitely needed to be in the communal changing room as they needed help with lockers/hair bands/finding their pants they'd dropped in water. But for that one any woman can just walk in while a group is in the communal room and again, I do NOT want a random bloke walking in while I have 10 naked little girls in there.

Wow, listening to an interview with David Davies on radio 4 right now. It's fantastic!

I loved it!

Is there such a thing as a t-shirt that says 'Radicalised by Mumsnet'?

I would so totally wear one

So many slogans to choose from

It seems OP and his/her friend, known as 'Donkey' (apt name btw) have gone off to do some research... Let's hope so..

Well, considering Monroe Bergdorf described MN at a Radicalisation Portal then I absolutely think there should be a t shirt Pam .

Shawhanks - their name badge said 'Maria' so I'm wildly guessing there.

I think self declaration is also an insult to those people who have gone through long and gruelling medical treatment and psychological evaluation. Like you can just put a wig on and call yourself a new name (even part time!) and think you are showing the same level of commitment as them. No doubt they have been silenced by the activists too.

It definately shows a degree of non-committal or laziness.

I always wanted to be a ballet dancer when I was little but I knew that I really couldn't be arsed to practice.

I knew that I wasn't - and never would - be a ballet dancer. So did I stamp my feet, beat up a few ballet dancers and demand the lead role in Swan Lake?

I think self declaration is also an insult to those people who have gone through long and gruelling medical treatment and psychological evaluation. Like you can just put a wig on and call yourself a new name (even part time!) and think you are showing the same level of commitment as them. No doubt they have been silenced by the activists too.

Tara Hudson, a trans woman who was imprisoned in a male prison before a change.org campaign saw her move, has said as much. I don't especially like Tara or believe that Tara is a woman, and I certainly don't believe Tara belongs in a women's prison. But Tara has taken the time and effort and no doubt gruelling stages of transitioning and no wonder Tara is pissed off the self-ID is a 'thing'

This is a very interesting thread and I have tried my best to follow all the arguements. My tuppence worth is, like seemingly most things in the world, it is all about the penis. Specifically the having or the not having of the penis. If a person is committed enough to living as a woman to feel they qualify to enter and use female spaces, is it unreasonable to expect that commitment to extend to the physical body? In short, to expect them to TRANSition. In or out. Off or on. Man or woman. The stakes are too high to tolerate this mockery, not only of of women, but of genuine trans men and women.
Also, has just occurred to me that there may well be repercussions to those whose religion forbids mixing sexes. It really is a Pandoras Box we are in danger of opening.