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AIBU to ask whether the people of the UK needs to take the threat of a no deal Brexit seriously?

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Talkstotrees · 15/10/2018 17:56

This is just today’s Brexit related business news.

I fully expect this thread to be moved quick-smart over to the bowels of the Brexit board but a subject with implications so serious for the UK deserves a wider audience.

The Govt is making a massive hash of the negotiations and businesses operating in the UK - providing many 1000s of jobs - have no ability to plan in this climate.

Is this the Brexit you voted for?

If you voted to remain - there’s a people’s vote march this Saturday in London.

If you voted to leave but are unhappy with the PM’s proposals - there’s a people’s vote march this Saturday in London.

If you voted to leave and are happy with developments - Shock

See you over on the Brexit board!

AIBU to ask whether the people of the UK needs to take the threat of a no deal Brexit seriously?
AIBU to ask whether the people of the UK needs to take the threat of a no deal Brexit seriously?
AIBU to ask whether the people of the UK needs to take the threat of a no deal Brexit seriously?
OP posts:
MakeAHouseAHome · 15/10/2018 18:33

I voted to Leave through hell or high water. If this is what Brexit means then so be it.

Hazardswan · 15/10/2018 18:52

Did you vote leave even if it meant restricting the supply of medications?

Why would any sane person think that's a good idea, treating human life with such disregard is repulsive.

But what the fuck would I know I'm just an easy to ignore carer.

Hazardswan · 15/10/2018 18:54

Oh and OP your YANBU.

PositivelyPERF · 15/10/2018 18:56

Britain is going to be made an example of, by the EU. Britain is fucked.

We, in NI are double fucked.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 15/10/2018 18:57

Oh christ, another remoaner thread, give it a rest already. We voted to leave, we are leaving. Project fear is not going to scare us anymore.

Why couldn't you have posted on one of the million other Brexit threads.

Hazardswan · 15/10/2018 18:59

Why can't you back a people's vote?

Surely you'll have nothing to fear if remoaners are a minority.

LeftRightCentre · 15/10/2018 19:00

Of course they won't. It'll all be fine. Yep.

jasjas1973 · 15/10/2018 19:03

I'm really hoping for a no-deal so the idiots that voted for this shitshow will begin to see the wisdom in "Be careful what you wish for"

But to answer the OP, Leave or Remain, they do not, they don't even believe this Brexit Governments own impact assessments.

lljkk · 15/10/2018 19:03

If the EU are so all-powerful that they get to "make an example" of UK, how does that square with "We're the 5th biggest economy in the world & "the Germans need to sell us cars!" Also "The only thing making Brexit difficult is people not supporting Brexit/Theresa May", "We've thrived for 1000 years!" and "But we have the commonwealth!" I don't get it. Make up your mind.

Seems to me like the current govt is quite capable of screwing up Brexit, EU doesn't need to do anything to help us with that mission.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 15/10/2018 19:04

Why can't you back a people's vote?

We have already had a peoples vote.

Bombardier25966 · 15/10/2018 19:09

I'm really hoping for a no-deal so the idiots that voted for this shitshow will begin to see the wisdom in "Be careful what you wish for"

They won't, they'll just keep blaming the EU.

Hazardswan · 15/10/2018 19:09

No we had a non binding, Russian influenced, lies on both sides, fucking expensive opinion poll where one option was a) carry on as usual while the Cons make us all poorer and sell off the NHS or b) a possibility of unicorns.

I voted a because I don't believe in unicorns others were more optimistic and voted b for the possibility of hope that was falsely dangled.

We deserve better than to be fobbed off like this.

PositivelyPERF · 15/10/2018 19:12

Why can't you back a people's vote?

Good idea. I assume the NI agreement will be completely respected, since it was supported by the people’s vote? The government is not going to screw NI over and the people in Britain will want us to continue having an open border with the republic, won’t you?

Poodles1980 · 15/10/2018 19:14

If you want to go by the people’s vote then surely the people of Northen Ireland voted to stay in the EU

Walkingdeadfangirl · 15/10/2018 19:43

No we had a non binding, Russian influenced, lies on both sides, fucking expensive opinion poll
And you want to repeat that, just because you didn't like the first result! [Facepalm]

Original poster
Talkstotrees · 15/10/2018 23:02

No thoughts on the news items I posted? All project fear?

OP posts:
IvorHughJarrs · 15/10/2018 23:08

I think it is Project Fear and, sadly, instead of looking for positivity many people are being sucked into that fear

NameChanger22 · 15/10/2018 23:17

I think hardly anyone in the UK really wants an off the cliff Brexit. They might think they do, because it all seems exciting this side of it, but the reality will hit very hard. Lemmings.

TooTrueToBeGood · 15/10/2018 23:17

I'm not going to start worrying until it actually happens and we see what's what. This is probably the single biggest negotiation in living memory. Does anyone honestly think it was going to be agreed with smiles and cream teas 6 months ahead of the deadline? It always was going to go right to the wire with both sides pulling out all the stops with their propaganda, scare mongering, threats, bluffs and double-bluffs.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 15/10/2018 23:22

It was always going to go down to the wire, that is how it works. Lets just wait and see what come out of the talks, it wont be long now. No need to run around like headless chickens.

jasjas1973 · 16/10/2018 00:26

The two sides are just so far apart, there is no precedent for this sort of exit from a large trading block.

May is in an incredibly weak position (of her own making) so, no majority, reliant on the DUP and a 1/4 of her party happy with a no deal

The NI border makes exiting even more fraught.

No one will get what they want out of this and though many say they are happy with any economic downturn (for a few years) that's only if they themselves don't lose their jobs.

Satsumaeater · 16/10/2018 10:06

The two sides are just so far apart

I don't think they are. It's just that May is caught between the rabid Brexiteers and the DUP and therefore is having to argue the toss about the time limit for the customs union. She should just tell them to naff off and go ahead with an agreement that says that we stay in the customs union until we've agreed a trade deal, however long that takes. It seems ridiculous to have an off the cliff exit which will adversely affect many lives, including within the EU itself, when they've agreed most of the leaving terms. And no deal means a hard border in Ireland anyway, so it's hardly a solution to the border issue. They have no choice but to sort out a deal.

jasjas1973 · 16/10/2018 11:11

mmmmmm May wants frictionless trade OUTSIDE of any CU and SM, follow an EU rule book for Goods but not services, which will be completely free of any EU rules/regs...... oh and "services" include the lorry driver in his 44t truck, how does that work?

Then there is NI.

She can, as you say, tell the DUP/ERG to F off but then any agreement wont get through Cabinet, let alone the Commons.

Its been discussed many times that the affect on the EU will not be anything like as great on them as us, they also stand to gain a lot of Pharma, Finance, Airbus and car manufacturing business.

FridayThirteenth · 16/10/2018 11:35

I agree it will probably go down to the wire, BUT the risk of No Deal is now greater than it has ever been, so it just seems sensible for every person in this country to get to grips with what the actual, practical implications of that are.

Because the vast majority of people have no idea, are bored by the whole thing, and seriously think no matter what happens their lives won't particularly change.

That in itself is scary. The government should be really open and honest with everyone over what will happen (and I mean a leaflet through every door, not lengthy impact assessments hidden on the government website and under the radar for most people).

If the majority still think, yes let's go for it. Well fair enough.

But that's not what's happening now. Reliance on the original vote is disingenuous. The referendum question itself wouldn't have been allowed (due to not being specific enough and making it clear enough exactly what we were voting for) was it not for the fact that the referendum was advisory.

Every person I know who voted leave voted for different and incompatible reasons. Some have changed their minds. Some think it's a cock up but still want to leave (but not no deal) and one want's it regardless but they are mortgage free with a large pension and won't particularly be affected.

HurricaneFlossie · 16/10/2018 11:43

YANBU

Do people who use the term "Remoaner" not realise how infantile they sound or do they not care?

I'm worried about the impact of No Deal or a poor deal because of the hardship and misery it will bring to people in the UK. The potential of unrest in NI. That makes me more of a patriot than people who just spout off about taking back control.

I'm no fan of Nicola Sturgeon but she summed it up with these words

“Never has so much been lost by so many to satisfy so few"

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