AIBU to ask whether the people of the UK needs to take the threat of a no deal Brexit seriously?

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This is just today’s Brexit related business news.

I fully expect this thread to be moved quick-smart over to the bowels of the Brexit board but a subject with implications so serious for the UK deserves a wider audience.

The Govt is making a massive hash of the negotiations and businesses operating in the UK - providing many 1000s of jobs - have no ability to plan in this climate.

Is this the Brexit you voted for?

If you voted to remain - there’s a people’s vote march this Saturday in London.

If you voted to leave but are unhappy with the PM’s proposals - there’s a people’s vote march this Saturday in London.

If you voted to leave and are happy with developments -

See you over on the Brexit board!

This is what happens when people vote, it's all about what seems like a good idea at the time and we and up with Boaty McBoatface and Gritsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny, Yellow Anti-Slip Machiney.... which actually seem quite sensible since the Brexit vote.

Show me where someone said the VOTE would result in armageddon. Those are reports after the fact which say people said that. Even if you follow the links they say 'leaving the EU' not 'voting to leave the EU'.

Read things properly.

Do you think there’s any chance whatsoever that TM could do a U-turn and call the whole thing off? Or is there not a hope in hell of that happening?

I think there's no chance of going back. It's "cobbled together deal that no one likes" or "no deal".

Project Fear predicted economic meltdown if Britain voted leave, so where are the devastated high streets, job losses and crashing markets

It has been a month since the UK voted to leave the European Union — but something is missing. Where is the economic collapse? What of EUpocalypse Now? Where is the Brexageddon that we were promised? To the shock of many — not least business titans who bankrolled the Remain campaign — the instant collapse doesn’t seem to be happening. The UK economy is, for now at least, taking Brexit in its stride

Brexit has not happened yet ....

so where are the devastated high streets, job losses and crashing markets

Well in our town's main shopping precinct, Thomas Cook pulled out a few weeks back. Dorothy Perkins has just followed. Both were long standing occupants of the precinct.

Job losses - a couple of friends have been made redundant, some have been encouraged to take early retirement. I live near Oxford, BMW is bringing its maintenance closure forward.

The £ has not yet recovered to what it was before the Referendum. Four years ago, I could get 1.38€ to the £ when changing money, last month I got 1.09€ and was told I was lucky, it had been lower than that a couple of days earlier.

The local hospital is short of nurses and midwifery staff.

My late parents' town, had 3 banks ten years ago, and has seen them all pull out two of them post Referendum, leaving the town with one cashpoint, and the nearest bank five miles away.

I don't call any of those as taking Brexit in its stride. If the country really was benefitting from Brexit, shopkeepers would be fighting for premises, the hospital would be turning good candidates away, BMW would have stuck to its existing maintenance schedule. EU staff would not be upping and leaving the country. My own DS would not be leaving within the next few months.... I could go on. I bet this story is being repeated up and down the country.

@londonrach
I was vvvvv anti leaving before but made a mistake i know now

What mistake did you make? Why is leaving worth the economic difficulties? Particularly to JIT manufacturers which are large direct and and indirect employers in the UK. How are we going to replace those jobs? What are the people of Sunderland going to do to bring prosperity and happiness to their community if Nissan cease investing or leave?

I am quite scared of dying because of brexit.
I need insulin. A couple of days without it and I’m a goner...

londonrach
I was vvvvv anti leaving before but made a mistake i know now

Yes, of course you made a mistake. You’d really quite like food shortages, medicine shortages, job losses, sterling tanking, JIT industries pulling out of the UK perhaps.

I’ve probably missed a few things (farming?) but I’m sure you’ll reveal the very best of the sunlit uplands as a remainer that’s seen the light.

And of course, a deal with the EU was going to be the easiest in human history, wasn’t it?

Wasn’t it? Liam? Liiiiiaaaam???

londonrach's post puts me me of those who survived the Japanese POW camps. For some people it brought out hidden depths and an inner steel. But at the cost of enormous suffering which no one in their right minds would wish on anyone. But I have already alluded to the suffering of WW2.

me me =me in mind. Don't know what happened there.

London rach yeah, right then.

I am quite scared of dying because of brexit
Hopefully, this will reassure you;
pharmaphorum.com/news/novo-nordisk-doubles-uk-insulin-stockpile-in-case-of-no-deal-brexit/

Apparently, we only spend about £6,000 per head on medicines in the UK, compared to double that in France and Germany - perhaps we'll need to spend more.

But I have already alluded to the suffering of WW2/Japanese POW camps
You are being ridiculous.

Brexit has not happened yet ....
My quotes were from the 2016 articles I posted - in response to Mookatron's silly post about me not reading things properly/ Show me where someone said the VOTE would result in Armageddon

...and what about the 1000s of other medicines used to either keep people alive or relive suffering? how about ones that cannot be stockpiled due to short shelf life?

If this CEO is stockpiling, then we should all be worried too and all this is self inflicted on our country, not war, climate change or global financial crash but because of 17m people who know FA decided it would be good to throw us back to the 50's

Give up op, the only responses you'll see from quitlings will be about project fear, telling you it's the will of the people, you lost get over it, Brexit means Brexit let's get on with it and assuring you that those unicorns do exist. They'll also repeatedly fail to give any credible, rational, critical thinking in relation to what exactly will be better when we leave.

See you on Saturday.

You are being ridiculous.
Are you denying that War time suffering happened?

Or are you trying to say it won't happen here?
Nations blundered into WW1, without any clear war aims. Depending on which historian you read, they blundered into WW2 also, although the aim of stopping Hitler was clearer.
Either way, precious few people wanted war, armaments manufacturers aside.

"Brexit means Brexit, and I intent to make a success of it", said our PM. How did she define success? She didn't.
We did hear about 'easiest deals in history'. 'Will be sorted in an afternoon'. 'They need us more than we need them'.
So far the deals we have heard are - blue passport covers, and a Festival of Brexit. Trade deals? None yet. We have heard the Government advising firms to stockpile food and medicines, we have heard their advice that firms which trade overseas might consider setting up HQs in those other countries. The Tory party can't even agree what they want, after more than two years. I am not sure who is being ridiculous, but I am pretty sure it isn't me.

There are much worse issues in the world. #SelfAbsorbedCountry

clavinova you are mixing different things.
The cost of medicinne is higher in France and in the U.K. because they tend to give many more ‘confort’ medication in France and the cost of healthcare is way way korw in the US (thanks to the private insurance system that seems to come our way instead if the nhs.....)

This does NOT mean that people are less dependent in medicines in the uk. People in insulin, steroid, cancer medication etc etc (the list is very long) all need those medication to LIVE.
Seeing that about 50% of illnesses are now CHRONIC, that’s a hell of a lot of people who need very regular medication to be able to be alive or have some sort of quality of life (I’m talking about extreme pain here)

I find it scary to see anyone to be so dismissive of the need of those people (I’m also going to assume you, personally, aren’t dependant in some medication for everyday living and nor is someone close to you....)

Still waiting for anyone to give me some positives or am I just going to have to I wait 50 years to see the benefits?

Oh I forgot, the M26 being turned into a lorry park, at first denied by the Government, but then someone went and spilt the beans.

Now 10 years ago, if you had said that the Government would plan to turn a motorway into a lorry park, I too would have said, this is ridiculous.

Baby of course you can always compare yourself to the Worse off.

A bit like when Liam Fox was telling us that if working conditions are good enough for India, then surely they are also good enough for the English. Because surely we all want to go back to working much longer working hours, lower wages, no H&S, no sickness pay etc etc. After all, shouldn’t be all just happy to have a job?

Or maybe just remembering that actually some people have to rely on food banks and some children in free school meal to be able to eat. IN THE U.K..