AIBU to ask whether the people of the UK needs to take the threat of a no deal Brexit seriously?

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This is just today’s Brexit related business news.

I fully expect this thread to be moved quick-smart over to the bowels of the Brexit board but a subject with implications so serious for the UK deserves a wider audience.

The Govt is making a massive hash of the negotiations and businesses operating in the UK - providing many 1000s of jobs - have no ability to plan in this climate.

Is this the Brexit you voted for?

If you voted to remain - there’s a people’s vote march this Saturday in London.

If you voted to leave but are unhappy with the PM’s proposals - there’s a people’s vote march this Saturday in London.

If you voted to leave and are happy with developments -

See you over on the Brexit board!

Look . We are the 5 the largest economy

Look. We were. Since the Referendum we have been down to 6th, some say 7th being overtaken by India in that case.

If Brexit were so good, we should have been climbing up to 4th or 3rd.

@slimjemima

This is what the Press Association has filed from the opening of the Brexit committee hearing.

A top health official has admitted concerns over medicine supplies after Brexit are keeping him awake at night.

Sir Chris Wormald told MPs he also lost sleep about the impact quitting the European Union would have on the NHS workforce as well as future arrangements about treating patients on their travels.

The issues were the same regardless of whether a deal had been struck, the Department of Health’s permanent secretary said.

Asked about his main concerns, he told the Brexit committee: “Those three are securing the supply of medicines, workforce questions and reciprocal health care arrangements with the EU 27.

“Those are the three things that keep me awake on this subject.”

Wormald told the committee most health issues “haven’t been hugely contentious”.

“Most of our issues are practical ones,” he added.

Wormald sidestepped questions over whether he was confident supplies of essential medicines would be maintained in the event of no deal, saying he never issued guarantees.

He said buffer stocks were being organised but there would be other decisions that needed to be made “along the way”.

“We are confident that we are putting in place all the correct mitigations but, an incredibly complex supply chain, it of course remains very challenging.

“I should say it’s quite challenging in normal circumstances. There are always medicines that we are worried about at any given time.”

My current anti brexit banner.

Brexit = disaster capitalism dressed in democracy clothing.

look what happens if you dare to be negative about Brexit.
Why are people still dismissing concerns as 'project fear'? If they truly believe experts are shit-stirring and spreading fear, surely they can come up with counter-arguments, rather than just repeating rhetoric.

Riverside - have reported you for troll-hunting. OP is a long-standing poster, whereas all I can say to you is 'welcome to Mumsnet' .

Oh Yummy !!!!! was this written on a bus ? no wonder the EU has never agreed a full FTA with the USA.

uk.businessinsider.com/trump-uk-must-bin-unjustified-food-standards-for-brexit-trade-deal-2018-10

I wonder if we'll start getting some sort of public information about what individual households should be doing to cope with life after Brexit? I wonder if petrol will be rationed?

Might be worth getting long-unused bikes serviced and buy lights and hi-vis so you can use them for some shorter journeys to avoid wasting petrol. At least the clocks go forward that same weekend (or is it the weekend before) - anyway at least there will be more daylight to cycling/walking will be safer.

There are folks on the school trip thread who seem to think that the A50 clock will not get to zero
oh dear
oh dear

@Satsumaeater - it's too hilly around here for bikes unless you are young and fit. I'm old and moderately fit with MS. I walk. Off topic but Couch 2 5k is a good fitness programme if anyone wants to top theirs up. Threads on here about it. I've completed it. Paused. Started again .

Someone explain the Brexit petrol shortage to me - I thought we imported much of our petrol from Norway (via a pipeline) and diesel from Russia. No need to go via Dover.

Anyone?

Who knows if they'll be a shortage?

Most of our Transport fuel is still refined in the UK, however the raw material isn't! and Dover doesn't handle oil imports but all ports are affected by Brexit, we are now a net importer of oil.

Pipe line from Norway isn't for Petrol and any Diesel from Russia is via ship.
www.ons.gov.uk/economy/environmentalaccounts/articles/ukenergyhowmuchwhattypeandwherefrom/2016-08-15

www.statista.com/statistics/467242/ranking-of-ports-by-crude-oil-tonnage-transported-united-kingdom-uk/

Well yes, I did know that we imported crude oil - I was simplifying. No obvious problem then - plus Norway and Russia are not members of the EU.

There will (if no-deal) be delays at all ports as EU imports and exports are cleared.
Those lorries transporting oil etc will be caught up in exactly the same queues and delays and as those links show, much is imported via the Netherlands, which is in the EU.

Of course the government may well wish to stockpile fuel for their own use, adding to any shortages.

So, leave or remain, lets hope there is a deal, A no-deal will be a fucking disaster, Mays bluster on No Deal is better than a Bad Deal was pure BS.

Statistica is behind a paywall for me.

Oil tankers transferring oil to reservoirs will be unaffected. Plus Norway has a pipeline to the UK - I think I read that Norway would be willing to divert more oil to the UK as a short-term measure if requested.

Yes sure, no doubt this can be done BUT is this what you really thought you were voting for in 2016? to put us back to post war Britain ?

This is all just self inflicted economic downturn for, as far as i can see, zero gain.

It’s too late though. Much as I sympathise with the sentiments of the marchers, what do they want to achieve? In reality I expect there will be a smorgasbord of wishes - stop Brexit, get a vote on the final deal etc. How will a vote be implemented? It’s too late! Article 50 is already triggered. Rounds and rounds of revotes will simply prolong the agony and exacerbate the divide between the 2 sides.

I work in an industry heavily impacted (which industry isn’t!). In truth we can cope with any of the leave or remain scenarios and are busily putting in place contingency plans. But what will truly scupper us is ongoing uncertainty while we continue to argue amongst ourselves...no one will invest, everyone’s plans are on hold until we know the legal environment we will be working in. So whilst I understand the sentiment behind the march on Saturday, I think it’s a waste of time and is 18 months too late.

Statemnet from NATS-can't link but key excerpts

'there will be no disruption to the UK's provision of air navigation services as a result of leaving the EU without a deal. EU countries, and the UK, in common with all other states, have international obligations to provide air navigation services in accordance with standards and recommended practices set by ICAO under the Chicago convention
the UK has Air Service Agreements with 111 countries already and expects to have a further 17 agreed before w eleqve the EU.'

I can't see the Heathrow billiuon pound finance deal as its behind a paywall, but I would sugest it is more to do with shiftin their hq to Holland, and with the massive expansion programme

That isn't what the UK Governments has said will happen, if no deal (24/9/2018)
www.gov.uk/government/publications/flights-to-and-from-the-uk-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/flights-to-and-from-the-uk-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

The 111 countries we ve bi lateral agreements with, are unaffected according to the above.

tiredgirly
NATS are merely saying there that they will keep the planes flying through UK airspace - which is great for passengers from JFK to Schipol.

Where is their statement about landing and taking off ?

have you read your own link jasjas

'For two years, the government has been implementing a significant programme of work to ensure the UK will be ready from day 1 in all scenarios, including a potential ‘no deal’ outcome in March 2019

NATS don't deal with landing and take off??? I don't get your point

Of course NATS deal with flights in and out of the UK - but that statement does not specify them.
And if they are not specified, you cannot assume they are included.

THe Government has indeed been implementing lots of wishy washy ideas
but as the other EU leaders are now realising
the UK does not know what it wants
therefore is very unlikely to get it
and the "no deal" scenarios are pretty darned scary if you read the detail

For those that say just get on with it and leave.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45906905