AIBU to ask whether the people of the UK needs to take the threat of a no deal Brexit seriously?

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This is just today’s Brexit related business news.

I fully expect this thread to be moved quick-smart over to the bowels of the Brexit board but a subject with implications so serious for the UK deserves a wider audience.

The Govt is making a massive hash of the negotiations and businesses operating in the UK - providing many 1000s of jobs - have no ability to plan in this climate.

Is this the Brexit you voted for?

If you voted to remain - there’s a people’s vote march this Saturday in London.

If you voted to leave but are unhappy with the PM’s proposals - there’s a people’s vote march this Saturday in London.

If you voted to leave and are happy with developments -

See you over on the Brexit board!

Why does The Will Of The People only matter on 23 June 2016? Why aren't we interested in the people's opinion now? What if people have changed their minds, if some of those who voted in 2016 have died and others come of voting age and the balance changed?

Why are some so reluctant to find out what the voting public want now?

@hurricaneflossie I agree - I don't want to cause irreparable damage to my country and the people within it all so a few elites can profit from disaster capitalism.

I love my country and i hate how a vote has been manipulated into people voting against their best interests.

I think I am more of a patriot than those spouting mindless soundbites and crowing about how they won. Or leaving at 'all costs' (whilst presumably it won't be them shouldering most of the costs).

These people are happy to destroy our country to prove a point.

It's crap.

And if my dh doesn't get his meds because of this and it affects him (v likely) I will probably be deeply unpleasant to quite a lot of people.

If this were a parking thread or a MIL thread it would be filling up by now. I do hope that people are reading this even if they are not commenting and realise that we have been lied to. It's not too late to change things nor is it undemocratic to ask how long a mandate was given by a referendum two and a half years ago. I'd say that mandate is up now. Project Fear is becoming Project Reality.

Facing the reality of what might happen is too scary - it's much easier to retreat into thinking everything will be fine and just ignoring it.

Doesn't mean people aren't concerned, but I do understand why there isn't more furore at the moment.

Unfortunately if (when?) it gets to the time that we can't ignore the consequences because they have arrived, it will probably be too late to do anything.

I wish I could just ignore it all, it would be better for my anxiety. Aside from the march (which again, I'm not sure will achieve anything) there isn't anything I can do other that watch our government balls this up.

It's horrible to feel in limbo - life decisions are on hold (anyone who is trying to sell a house at the moment will know this!).

I think at the moment No Deal looks inevitable, the shit will hit the fan. Maybe it has to get to that stage to provoke the kind of public reaction that will pull us back from the brink?

I think people should take it seriously. Even if all recent shenanigans are theatre to soften Brexiteer MPs up to accept a chequers type deal. TM's cunning plans have a habit of backfiring.

I voted to Leave through hell or high water. If this is what Brexit means then so be it.
If that is the case, as in REALLY the case, please could you swap your job with kne of the people that has o will be loosing their job because if Brexit. I mean through hell and high water isn’t it? I’m sure you won’t have any issue with it and you will help someone whodid NOT want such a crap situation too.

If you are on medication, could you also give whatever you have to someone who needs it and won’t be able to have as much as they need too?

I suspect you won’t though....

It's curious that it's always the Brexiters who don't want to talk about it.

Why can't you back a people's vote?

We have already had a peoples vote.

For how long is the ‘will of the people’ valid for?
Because when the conservatives were elected and TM brough an election early, people didn’t vote conservatives again.
So what makes people think that ‘the people’ will vote to be out of the EU again?? Aren’t ‘the people’ allowed to change their mind on Brexit like they do on everything else in politics???

Well I personally don’t understand why people aren’t more angry.

Angry at the possible future laying in front of them in case of a No Deal.

Angry at been lied about (remember the bus? Now compare that to how bad the NHS is atm and how much worse it will get)

Angry at politicians putting their wish to be PM before the country

Angry at a governemnt telling us they are pursuing an alternative wo mamking any plan for said alternative

Angry at two years spend trying to square a hole for the Conservative party that shouod have been spent doing something that wouod really make a difference to people. Looking at the NHS, the benefits system, the wealth redistribution, the end of the austerity, the very small issue of the climate change etc etc...

So no I’m sorry but putting your head in the sand is the very last thing anyone shouod be doing just right now.

Lambs to the slaughter

The sticking point is the border in Ireland and apparently that's why we are heading for no deal.

If we have no deal we'll have a hard border anyway. So I repeat, a deal must be done.

And May CAN tell the arch Brexiteers to get stuffed, along with the DUP, because other parties would rather support a deal than no deal. Come on, they waved the Art 50 notification through, it was only the House of Lords who tried to hold it up. A sensible deal would get through. She doesn't need the ERG or the DUP.

Although then of course we've got this all over again when the transition period comes to an end.

The government should be really open and honest with everyone over what will happen (and I mean a leaflet through every door, not lengthy impact assessments hidden on the government website and under the radar for most people).

I thought the government put a leaflet though every door before the last referendum.

I thought the government put a leaflet though every door before the last referendum.

At the time the Govt had pledged to support the Single Market. They, (dictated to by the ERG), have now changed their minds, so we need a new leaflet to explain what their new position is.

I thought Brexiteers thought this was a semi criminal waste of money to leaflet people. Use a bus instead.

Yep we need a new bus.
But one that will tell the truth this time round rather than the blatant lie of the £350 million for the NHS

People do need to take it seriously.

But they are not being told about it.

I don't blame people for wanting to ignore it.

It's a horrible thing to inflict on our kids, elderly, ill and us mums.

The cleverest bit of the whole thing is that most people have no idea what is about to happen to them.

If the crash happens, I predict we will never have all of what we had before 2016 again in our lifetimes: easy access to medicines, fresh food, flights, FOM, free society, women's rights, safety at work rights, and being a respected country.

All for 75p per average tax payer a week.

It's like deciding you don't like your own house and burning it down. While living in it.

You only have to look at the reactions of Brexiteers on here, it's just pure anger and rage. They are IMO extremely thick and incapable of seeing beyond the end of their own noses. Critical thinking and looking at the bigger picture is beyond them.

Both me and DD’s father carry steroid dependency cards. We are worried!

YANBU

There is a huge effort by the governement to hide the impact of a No Deal Brexit. Not until. The 11th hour is it going to become obvious what they real cost will be. Hopefully it won’t be too late.

To all reasonable/responsible leavers

Please don't disengage - Brexit is too important to ignore as it's negative effects will last generations (50 years according to Jacob Rees-Mogg). If you're beginning to doubt the direction of our government please look at the economic impacts again. If you're not happy with them consider pushing for EEA/EFTA+CU (if you still want a staged EU exit) or another referendum/remain. It's not too late to change the outcome and your voices are the most important to hear.

I voted to Leave through hell or high water I didn't see that as an option on the ballot paper - anyone else?

It would be hilarious how much leavers rely on catchphrases invented by somebody cleverer than them like 'remoaners' 'project fear' hell even 'Brexit' itself - if it didn't appear to be the case that those meaningless catchphrases are actually our plan now.

I still haven't seen a good reason for leaving. (waits for posts peppered with market-o-speech which say how they gave reasons at the time and won't do it again now, leave means leave, democratic lies etc)

But you mustn't call Brexiters thick. They tell us that is why they don't engage and then flounce out.

There will be some winners with Brexit - after all there were during the last War, and not just the spivs either. E.g. DH's grandfather, who had a trade in the shipbuilding industry was in and out of work during the '30s. Come the war, he had good quality well paid work, and was never out of work again. The only problem with this argument is that there were millions killed, many more displaced, buildings ruined, and then Europe divided. So it was a very heavy price to pay.

This is a really informative read on the situation and how dire it is looking right now: www.docdroid.net/m3YvOS5/brexit-truth-revised.pdf

I really hope anyone on this thread who is a 'Leaver' reads this and considers the implications.

indistinct Well said. Those who don't want this come from all parties, classes, countries etc.