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To feel like I’m being gaslighted by counsellor and ex

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DiaryStrife · 15/10/2018 09:32

Divorced for 7 years. 4 DC. He is remarried.

We’ve had ongoing issues between us for years and in an attempt to fix them so the DC weren’t growing up in a hostile environment we agreed to go to family counselling (him, his wife and me).

One of the main issues is this: we have an online family diary which I am the admin of. Everyone has access to it. I upload all appointments, parents evenings, after school activities, trips and parties to the diary. They are colour coded so everyone knows who is involved in that activity etc etc. We also enter holidays and nights out etc.

Ex frequently forgets or doesn’t turn up for things in the diary. His argument is that I could remind him 48hrs beforehand with a text message. My argument is I’m not his wife, it’s in the diary, he can check and remind himself. He runs a successful business and seems to remember to go to work/quotes and meetings so I don’t see why this is so much hassle.

Counsellor asked me why I didn’t feel it was fair to remind him, I explained, counsellor then says “the thing is we are at an impasse here and someone needs to compromise”

I said it wasn’t going to be me and it was ridiculous that he expected me to do this.

Ex is saying “you see, you see how impossible she is”

And the counsellor is nodding his fucking head!

The sesson ended with me being asked to reconsider my position and come back this week to discuss the issue of why I was so “angry” about this. Was this really where I wanted to “plant my flag”

I feel like I’m going mad ffs.

Please tell me honestly if you think I’m being unreasonable

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DiaryStrife · 15/10/2018 09:45

It isn’t a google calendar it’s a family calendar app, I don’t think there are notifications but I’ll cbeck. Although at this point it would feel like kowtowing to him!

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steff13 · 15/10/2018 09:46

He has a very busy business and this isn’t his main diary.

Well, then, he can just set a reminder in his main diary to check the children's diary, can't he? I wouldn't return to the counselor.

fiftyandfat · 15/10/2018 09:46

He is pathetic isn't he.
You shouldn't even have to be in the same room with him.
Post on relationships and ask about grey rock technique.
You are doing way more than necessary.
Providing the diary and updating it is very generous of you. All he has to do is check it.

MrsBertBibby · 15/10/2018 09:46

If you do go back, make sure you check everyone has had a wee wee and washed their hands before the session. And before home time.

TheMobileSiteMadeMeSignup · 15/10/2018 09:46

It's up to him how he manages his time, by all means a last minute addition could be accompanied by a courtesy "sorry its last minute" email or text but on the whole I'm betting things are organised at least a few days in advance. He can check it every day, I'm sure he checks his work one daily.

Aprilislonggone · 15/10/2018 09:47

I can suggest where you can place your flag. .....
Bet lots will agree....
Shove it up the do gooder's arse!!
And delete the bloody planner. Revert ex to school newsletter and be done with it.

stayathomegardener · 15/10/2018 09:49

I'm evil but I would be tempted to forward this thread to him before the next session.

I imagine there would be a swift attitude change.

DiaryStrife · 15/10/2018 09:49

Any suggestion of changing counsellors will be met with “why? because he doesn’t agree with you?”...more evidence of how unreasonable I am.

I agreed to the counselling because DS was really upset at the tension and ongoing issues between us over stupid shit like this. I was hoping we could find solutions and just move on but it’s created even more drama.

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AmIRightOrAMeringue · 15/10/2018 09:50

Wow, you are already giving him the information in a valid format and making it easy by colour coding it etc. Agree that's awful of the counsellor, it must have felt like he was picking on you and it's unfair not to acknowledge the effort you already go to, to keep him involved (your line in the sand is already quite far over to his side!) Unless he has some kind of disorder that means he really finds it hard to be organised

Sounds like he is not going to change. I bet he blames you for it in front of your children as well (I missed your play because your mum didn't remind me etc). I don't think you can change his behavior just how you react to it.

You could bin off the calendar and just text him the things you want him to attend. You could just accept he is not going to get involved in their everyday lives. You could change to another calendar or app that will send reminders to him at a time set by you eg 2 days in advance. You could give the older kids responsibility for reminding their dad about thing they want him to attend, if they're old enough. You could screenshot the calendar and send it to him. You could print out the calendar and hand I to him every few weeks and ask him to stick it on his fridge.

Like you say texting the appointments negates the point of the diary and he is capable of looking in a diary for work so why not at home. Even kids are expected to keep a note of when homework is due, when they've got practices for various activities etc. He is taking no responsibility and acting like a kid. So I would be very angry as well. But it seems like that's maybe what he wants?

Any way you could suggest a different counsellor? Also why is his wife going if she doesn't want to be involved?

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 15/10/2018 09:53

If he asks why change counsellors - my understanding was they're not meant to pick sides and tell people what to do - they are meat to help you reach agreement yourselves. Can you discuss with the counsellor without him there or complain?

SuperGekkoMuscles · 15/10/2018 09:53

You’re his ex wife not his fucking PA. I bet he remembers to get dressed and go to work. So if he gives a shit he can remember to look at the fucking calendar.

Would be my response.

DiaryStrife · 15/10/2018 09:54

She doesn’t want to be involved in this specific issue.

She’s very much involved in other issues and how the dynamic between my ex and me affects her life.

Hint, it’s all my fault for being bloody minded

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Holdingonbarely · 15/10/2018 09:56

I think you should go in next week with a list of questions as to why he cannot manage the diary.
And ask what happens if I forget to text you or I’m too busy to text you? What is the scenario then?
Don’t answer with why should I have to (even though it’s valid) because he’s playing a game. And he wants you to look uncooperative as if you’re doing this on purpose.
Or suggest you transfer everything into a google calendar with alerts.
I know you shouldn’t have to, but you’re doing these things because you’re child is severely anxious about it all.

fiftyandfat · 15/10/2018 09:56

You are absolutely being gaslighted and ganged up on.
You need separate counselling with a different counsellor to deal with your ex and his wife.
They sound awful.

Holdingonbarely · 15/10/2018 09:57

And I really don’t understand why the wife is on on these sessions if she’s nothing to do with the problem.

smallfootpercy · 15/10/2018 09:58

He wants you to tell him directly so when you drop the ball or tell him late, he can blame you.

The calendar is sufficient. That is what everyone else I know uses.

fiftyandfat · 15/10/2018 09:59

Don't show him this thread.
He will use it to manipulate you.

RayRayBidet · 15/10/2018 09:59

I would jack in the counselling and just say it's not constructive and creating more drama which defeats the object.

nellieellie · 15/10/2018 10:02

The calendar IS the prompt. All he has to do is check it. This IS the compromise. You do the calendar so HE doesn’t have to check with you. You are not going to act as his social secretary or his wife because he neither employs you, neither are you married to him. You have your life, and it doesn’t involve organising him.

No-one has to ‘compromise’. He just has to look at the calendar.

I would read out something to this effect at the start of the next session. Any other remarks, just repeat ‘it is not my job to organise him, he just has to look at the calendar’.

If counsellor still being a twat. Tell him that he is failing to be impartial and you need another counsellor.

MarthasGinYard · 15/10/2018 10:02

"I've agreed to counselling as you know to try and make our lives easier. One of the ways I personally contribute is to helpfully create our diary. After being divorced for 7 years I'm afraid I draw the line at then reminding you to look at said diary. I'm not your secretary. Have some respect."

I'd be as calm as possible and look them both in the eye.

Counsellor sounds abysmal

EspressoButler · 15/10/2018 10:04

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Popartist · 15/10/2018 10:04

My suggested compromise would be to agree what short notice is i.e. text if you have added something happening the next day. But that your ex should compromise by checking the diary regularly.

Feefeetrixabelle · 15/10/2018 10:06

Say you’ve come up with a compromise- he can fuck off cos your done. No but in all seriousness why can’t he set a daily reminder in his phone to check the diary. I’m presuming things get added daily and it’s a live document?

obligations · 15/10/2018 10:07

How infuriating OP. If there's any way you can have a text sent every morning reminding him to check the diary then please do - or ask the new wife if she can send him a daily reminder. Put the ball in their court, you've done great by making the diary.

Suresurelah · 15/10/2018 10:09

Stop the counselling now and tell your DS, that it is not YOUR job to remind him.

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