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Women should not have to fear being raped by fellow prisoners

153 replies

Biologicalreality · 12/10/2018 18:23

In response to the Karen White case, there is a petition to ask the government to review their rules on putting males in women's prisons.

Link here: petition.parliament.uk/petitions/228767

OP posts:
SittHakim · 13/10/2018 11:25

Signed. Up to 1345

SlothSlothSloth · 13/10/2018 11:35

About to sign. Thanks for sharing.

Important to note that this is not even just about risk of sexual violence. Women in prison are forced to be naked together a lot. They shower together, often without any curtains, share cells.

Putting a male-bodied person in there is forcing these women to expose their names bodies to him on a regular basis, and to see his. It is an enormous violation.

I agree with a PP who stated wholesale prison reform is urgent. Women’s prisons are not needed IMO. In the meantime though we can surely agree not to make these women’s suffering even worse by putting males in with them.

onedayiwillmissthis · 13/10/2018 11:49

Signed & shared

Mumminmum · 13/10/2018 12:12

signed and thank you for sharing the link

Ohb0llocks · 13/10/2018 12:43

Signed and shared

Llongyfarchiadau · 13/10/2018 13:32

Signed.

StormyDaniels · 13/10/2018 14:57

Bump.

Whatsnewwithyou · 13/10/2018 15:35

Bump - please sign and share.

LemonJello · 13/10/2018 17:49

Bump

cardibach · 13/10/2018 18:22

Why wouldn’t someone sign this?
Because a lot of people think we are horrible transphobes for wanting to protect women and not thinking TWAW.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 13/10/2018 18:38

Why wouldn’t someone sign this?

Because being "inclusive" is more important than the safety of vulnerable women.

Whatsnewwithyou · 13/10/2018 19:42

Because a lot of people just don't believe or care that much about vulnerable women ... including sometimes other women :-(.

LagerthaTheShieldMaiden · 13/10/2018 19:47

Signed.

OneEpisode · 13/10/2018 19:48

And people don’t care that Karen White was in a prison with a mother and baby unit?

GenderApostate · 13/10/2018 19:55

Women in prison are some of the most vulnerable in this country, over half have traumatic brain injuries from DV or beatings from pimps.
There were 21 reported sexual assaults in Womens prisons last year - that piece of shit Male rapist was respnsible for 25% of those assaults - he will be included in Female Sex offender stats. 😡
Almost Half of Trans Male prisoners are Sex offenders. Whereas 19% of ‘ordinary’ Male prisoners are sex offenders.

LemonJello · 13/10/2018 20:51

Almost Half of Trans Male prisoners are Sex offenders. Whereas 19% of ‘ordinary’ Male prisoners are sex offenders.

Wow. That is extremely concerning. What is the explanation for this massive over representation of sex offenders in the trans prison population?

Deathgrip · 13/10/2018 21:57

There are problems with that statistic for sure. For a start, it does not include prisoners with a GRC - they would be recorded as their legal sex. So there may be quite a few more than the 125 cited (who are trans prisoners with no GRC who have already had a case conference which means they’re in for a fair while).

So what we know is that 60 of those 125 trans prisoners on longer sentences with no GRC have been convicted of a sex offence.
There may well be more trans people on shorter sentences who haven’t committed sex offences, and I’m sure there are trans prisoners with a GRC.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42221629

LemonJello · 13/10/2018 22:40

Jesus.

Why are such a huge percentage sex offenders though? Surely that needs some investigation?

CantankerousCamel · 13/10/2018 23:04

Am I the only one not surprised that a male who has a predisposition to dress in clothing usually associated with the opposite sex, are likely to be sexually deviant?

I mean honestly! This is not new information. Look at ‘Arnold lane’ by pink floyd.

Somehow we’ve forgotten that these types of men have existed for a long time and been tbreats for a long time.

LemonJello · 13/10/2018 23:10

That’s true- it used to be a classic paraphilia, dressing up in woman’s clothes.

Now I guess all those men are classed as transgender Shock

MistressDeeCee · 14/10/2018 01:05

Well the current rules aren't working or women would have been safe from being raped by a male bodied person, wouldn't they?

So whataboutery is truly nonsensical in this aspect.

If it's broke - fix it.

Signed.

CantankerousCamel · 14/10/2018 06:26

lemon

It would have been presented to the judge as a sign of deviance. Now it’s presented as a reason to let men off heinous crimes.

I’ve said it from the beginning, we will see a lot more examples of why this behaviour is a precursor to acts of harm against women and children.

It ALWAYS has been. The high level gaslighting is NOT fooling me.

Bring back ‘kink’ shaming. Those men? They SHOULD be ashamed. Just like the men who get off on attacking women ‘when it’s in the bedroom so it’s fine’ SHOULD be ashamed

SPOFS · 14/10/2018 06:39

If trans women do not wish to be imprisoned with natal men then they need to campaign for their own wings, which I will support.

Under no circumstances should they be allowed to share with natal women. Full stop.

SPOFS · 14/10/2018 06:41

Also, isn't it odd that the largest amount of signatures on the petition come from Brighton? You'd think they would bring the fewest...

Whatsnewwithyou · 14/10/2018 07:33

Part of the kink for this type of paraphilia is enjoying the feeling of naughtiness - of getting away with something they should be doing. How much more are they going to have to "get away with" to get their kicks if this paraphilia is now supposed to be accepted and tolerated throughout society?

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