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to stop shopping at M and S for selling hijabs for young girls

623 replies

worstmotherintheworld · 11/10/2018 20:54

So M and S have started to sell hijabs as part of their school uniform range...aimed at primary school children. One reviewer helpfully suggests getting the small one for a 4 year old.

I have been shopping at Marks all my adult life and have remained a faithful customer despite some dodgy clothes of late and the uninspirational Sparks card, but I think this is going to be the last straw for me.

OP posts:
FekkoTheLawyer · 14/10/2018 15:35

And only a fraction believe that women should cover their hair/body/face.

user1457017537 · 14/10/2018 15:58

So because their are a great many British Muslims we should all follow their way of life
and our young girls should be covered is that what you are advocating

JacquesHammer · 14/10/2018 16:11

So because their are a great many British Muslims we should all follow their way of life
and our young girls should be covered is that what you are advocating

I take it comprehension isn’t your strong point...

user1457017537 · 14/10/2018 16:14

It is actually, especially in light of Rochdale and other abuse scandals.

JacquesHammer · 14/10/2018 16:18

It is actually, especially in light of Rochdale and other abuse scandals

Along with the non-sequitur I see.

Gronky · 14/10/2018 16:24

and it is illegal in pakistan , legal age of consent is 16yrs.

There is no age of consent in Pakistan, intercourse is not permitted outside of marriage and marriage is allowed for girls as young as 14. The situation is similar in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen and Oman with variations on the minimum age for marriage.

MissEliza · 14/10/2018 16:35

The having their cake and eating it philosophy. I hate that too. When we relocated to the UK I avoided areas where the catchment school was C of E because my dcs were Muslim so I thought it's obviously not for them. When we moved in, a Muslim lady asked why I hadn't sent mine to the C of E school in the town which was rated outstanding. I said um because we're not Christian. She said 'They can't make you do anything'. I thought that was an appalling attitude especially when there were good alternatives and you were potentially taking places from C of E families.

Bluelady · 14/10/2018 16:39

You seriously think all the families at that school are CofE?

Kemer2018 · 14/10/2018 16:47

OP yanbu. But it's like pissing in the wind here.

user1457017537 · 14/10/2018 16:58

Jacqueshammer I must confess I had to look that up. What’s wrong, thread not going the way you want and others not agreeing with you re the oppression of 4 year old girls.

JacquesHammer · 14/10/2018 17:00

I must confess I had to look that up

You do surprise me.

What’s wrong, thread not going the way you want and others not agreeing with you re the oppression of 4 year old girls

No. The last couple of people who have responded to me aren’t making any sense.

user1457017537 · 14/10/2018 17:08

Aww that old chestnut when you can’t win you don’t understand what people are saying and can they explain themselves to you.

JacquesHammer · 14/10/2018 17:09

Ok user1457017537

Enlighten me. How much work have you done with the Muslim community?

SlothCloth · 14/10/2018 17:10

So many people who don’t wear the hijab are trying to dictate what those who wear hijab should or shouldn’t be doing.

Now their britishness is being questioned too.

Beesandfrogsandfleas · 14/10/2018 17:21

Sloth, as an argument that makes no sense. Substitute anything one person disagrees with in your sentence and see. People who don’t support fox hunting/earrings on babies/ FGM/ eating meat/vaccinating children are all entitled to have opinions about those practices

user1457017537 · 14/10/2018 17:41

Ok I will bite! Where I live no houses have come on the market for years. Recently, as in past 5 years, lots of houses have come on the market due to elderly people passing away or going into homes. All newcomers are Muslim and you know what, they are not interested in mixing or even saying good morning.

My husband knows a lovely man who is an Iman.

I have Iranian friends. However, they have no need of me coming over all lady bountiful and ‘working with them’ just because they are Muslim. They are cultured, educated people who I am proud and privileged to know.

Bluelady · 14/10/2018 17:59

Jeez, how fucking patronising.

JacquesHammer · 14/10/2018 18:06

All newcomers are Muslim and you know what, they are not interested in mixing or even saying good morning

Cool story.

But you know, ever thought you’re giving off a vibe? Something to think about.

Aintnothingbutaheartache · 14/10/2018 18:16

Jacques was that not a bit derisive to user?
Anyone who works for the NHS and is based in east London would testify that there is quite a large number of people who choose not to ‘mix’ to the extent that many have lived in UK for up to 30 years and speak no English whatsoever

JacquesHammer · 14/10/2018 18:18

Jacques was that not a bit derisive to user

Have you seen their previous posts?

SlothCloth · 14/10/2018 18:19

BeesFrogs, do baby earring topics start questioning the britishness of the parents?

Do vaccination topics start questioning the britishness of parents?

Do paedophile/grooming links start being associated with those topics?

If I went on a vegan thread and started associating them with extreme animal activist groups, you would rightfully think it was bonkers. Yet time after time, the same sweeping statements are made about muslims and their choices and every bigot has some venom to spout linking all ills of the world to muslims.

Bees, you are right about my first statement not making sense though. I have just realised that a chunk of what I wrote is not there. I followed on with some muslim men also going against girls wearing hijab. It is not for them to dictate who wears or does not wear a hijab.

Aintnothingbutaheartache · 14/10/2018 18:21

Will go and have a catchup before I open me gob😂

Beesandfrogsandfleas · 14/10/2018 18:28

I wasn’t passing comment about to British part, I thought that was a separate comment and is, of course, ridiculous. But the idea that if you don’t do something it means you can have an opinion on it, doesn’t work. I have no plans to claim I’m non-binary, doesn’t mean I don’t have any right to an opinion on it!

Oliversmumsarmy · 14/10/2018 18:29

Antigon I watched the video Ted Talks on You tube about the hijab and what I took away from it seems that actually hijab is another word for barrier.
And of the 3 verses about women’s clothing in the Quran
One of the versus says to not stand out and wear what others are wearing.
One was solely for Allahs wives
And one was about a flowing scarf that could be used as clothing because of the style of dress of the day.

Only in the last few years has directives been added to make it look like a S&M dream.

Maybe others have a different view but seems to prove the point that a hijab as an item of clothing is not needed in fact it is a barrier between the wearer and God.

SlothCloth · 14/10/2018 18:31

Aintnothing,

A bit rich for an english speaker to turn up their nose at non english speakers. The majority of british retirees in spain are hardly falling over themselves trying to learn the language there either are they.