Transphobia

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I am absolutely disgusted by the vile bigotry and absolutely hatred shown by some people on here. I realise those people peddling this feel justified in doing so. The truth is the bigoted never see their form of bigotry as bigotry. Racists doing think they bigoted they think they have a valid point of view - truth is they are vile racists. Homophobic people the same. Sexist people the same. Mysogynistic the same. Xenophobic the same. And transphobic = yes indeed, exactly the same. It's very sad. It's sad for the people who hold such hatred in their hearts. It's sad for the transgender community who have to live with the consequences of such bigotry and ignorance and haterd and opposition to just fulfilling their destiny as they feel it.

I just hope enough good people stand up with the trans community against this hatred and bigotry and that we move towards a better and kinder and more understanding world for transpeople. We have made great progress with this over recent years despite the best efforts of some.

I hope those with hate in their hearts can heal in time and become kinder and more understanding. My wise old grandma used to say those who bear hatred of others can never be truly happy.

I know the backlash to this post will be vile from some. I won't be reading the replies. I have no need to.

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It just feels like people are constantly itching to stoke anger, rather than be constructive.

Alternatively, it could be the case that a lot of women (and increasing numbers of men, gay people, and transsexuals as well, on Twitter, for example) actually are angry, with no need for "stoking", and believe they have good reason to be. The implications of what's been going on for free speech alone are enough to get a lot of people angry, and they are expressing that anger not just on Mumsnet.

You're talking shite OP.

Best response on the thread goes to numptynuts ^^ You took the (concise and completely accurate) words out of my mouth

God it's soooo boring when people come on and say "waaaah bigots" but don't actually give any reasons as to why transwomen are women and how self-ID can work without being harmful to women and girls - which is basically the crux of the issues that are mainly discussed on MN.

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I love how OP explicitly stated she wasn't going to read any of the replies yet people are still falling over themselves to argue with her. Mumsnet in a nutshell.

YABU, GF
For starting a goady thread and buggering off so you don't see any replies

MN will delete posts that unfairly call an individual transphobic
but don't delete posts that call MN posters en masse transphobic
TRAs have realised this

MN will delete posts that unfairly call an individual transphobic but don't delete posts that call MN posters en masse transphobic
TRAs have realised this

Yep, it makes no sense. An OP with no posting history arrives to make a goady yet completely unsubstantiated accusation of mass bigotry, then announces they'll be bogging off with reading any replies or engaging with the thread any further, and the thread is upheld.

Could you explain the reasoning behind that, @MNHQ?

Well, I said that I was not going to read any of the replies and I meant it. The thing that changed my mind and brought me back to the thread was the private messages I received from people saying how much they agreed. I thank those people so much, as well as all the people who left nice and kind posts on the thread.

I thank you for your feedback. I wasn't writing to persuade, simply jotting down some thoughts in a fairly organic and free flowing way. You could call it speaking from the heart.

I thank you for the GCSE English advice with regard to persuasive writing. I'm not planning on doing any GCSEs soon, what with having an MPham. All the same, I'll absolutely keep it in mind.

I wonder why they felt they had to PM you rather than just saying it in here.

They were self identifying messages.

They werent actually sent, op just identified as having recieved them.

Dont be trans-message-phobic.

Just to clarify - some people who posted publicly are very much among the people who sent PM. With just a couple of others who didn't

Well hopefully one of them will pop back on later to tell us the difference between men and transwomen.

I wont hold my breath.

Hyppolyta - I don't suppose it will matter if they do or not really. I don't suppose anything they could say would make the slightest difference to you. Perhaps if you had a trans friend or family member, who you loved and respected, you might think differently. Or indeed perhaps you wouldn't.

I have friends I resoect who are trans.

None pretend theyve changed sex or use spaces meant for the opposite sex tho.

I suppose you dont know the difference between a man and a transwoman either then.

Hyppolyta - well, I'm sure you and all of your many trans friends who you respect and love and who absolutely don't 'pretend they have changed sex' and who absolutely don't use 'spaces meant for the opposite sex' have a fantastic time together

Yes we do, thankyou.

Isnt it funny that theres no actual transphobia, just endless accusations.

That's absolutely fantastic and I for one absolutely and unquestioningly accept you have loads of trans friends and that they all agree with you about absolutely everything that you say

Are you aware this ia public?
Everyone can see that isnt what I said and youre just lying.

No, YNBU. I feel exactly the same. My friend and I had a couple of glasses of wine and a good old laugh at some of the 'intelligent' and 'considered' discussions on trans issues, that are just 'oh so tired of being marginalised' women being twats.
I can't for the life of me think why they haven't got something better to do? It's cringey.

itchybumhole How you expect anyone to take you serious with a user name like that has me and my friend having a "good old laugh" with our bottle of wine
Haven't you got anything better to do?

Nothing is as convincing as the old “I got LOADSA PMs” comment. Why don’t you post a screenshot of your inbox (not the actual messages) to prove it?

OP. I agree there is a lot of transphobia here but I don't think the majority of it is of the extremer 'hatred'/'bigotry' form. Most of it is at the subtler end of the spectrum. Things like tarring all trans activists with the same brush as the ones who do the most extreme things. Or like naming the opposing ideology as 'gender critical'. Which when you really think about what they mean by that name, it is akin to people naming their opposition to homosexuality as 'bump-on-the-head critical'.

So I think it's mainly of the more subtle and easy-to-miss variety, rather than the in-your-face variety.

Or at least that is my view. You might have seen things I haven't.