Transphobia

[SardiH]

I am absolutely disgusted by the vile bigotry and absolutely hatred shown by some people on here. I realise those people peddling this feel justified in doing so. The truth is the bigoted never see their form of bigotry as bigotry. Racists doing think they bigoted they think they have a valid point of view - truth is they are vile racists. Homophobic people the same. Sexist people the same. Mysogynistic the same. Xenophobic the same. And transphobic = yes indeed, exactly the same. It's very sad. It's sad for the people who hold such hatred in their hearts. It's sad for the transgender community who have to live with the consequences of such bigotry and ignorance and haterd and opposition to just fulfilling their destiny as they feel it.

I just hope enough good people stand up with the trans community against this hatred and bigotry and that we move towards a better and kinder and more understanding world for transpeople. We have made great progress with this over recent years despite the best efforts of some.

I hope those with hate in their hearts can heal in time and become kinder and more understanding. My wise old grandma used to say those who bear hatred of others can never be truly happy.

I know the backlash to this post will be vile from some. I won't be reading the replies. I have no need to.

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I do see a lot of transohobia on MN, tbh. Not about the keeping people with male genitalia about of women's spaces - I understand those concerns, even if I don't necessarily agree - but just the fact of people changing gender and using different pronouns etc.

I've posted before about a colleague of DH's while transitioning and sometimes presents as a man, sometimes as a woman. A number of posters expressed their shock that HR "allowed" this

On another thread atm a poster has talked about getting a headache when talking to a trans colleague, because they have to use a different pronoun. So they avoid their colleague.

How is that not transohobic? It's got nothing to do with protecting women, just refusing to give others respect

What about all the transsexual who are against self ID?

The problem is some trans folk believe that anyone who has concerns over the way trans activism is putting woman and girls in danger is a transphobe or who disagree that gender trumps biological sex are transphobic. The word is thrown around.

Who's, not while, sorry

Why are people attempting to debate with what is very clearly a hit-and-run goady fucker who has lobbed a very lazy grenade and admitted that they can't be arsed with what pans out after that?

Wind 'em up & watch 'em go. [Hmm]

But, for the people saying they want to keep penises (peni?) out of the safe spaces of women, whilst I appreciate that there have been cases of women being assaulted, in particular the case of the transgender woman in a women's prison that's in the news just now, surely that is the exception, not the rule?

I would think that most true transgender women don't want their penis anymore than an actual woman would like a penis. Most identify as a woman, so surely would just want to be like an average woman in society, and respect other women as their equal?

My point is that transgender women feel like they were born in the wrong body. So in their minds, they are women. Albeit, with different genitalia.

I think that tarring every transgender woman as a potential attack on women waiting to happen is unfair. I think that you should be allowed to live out your life as the person you choose to be, as long as you aren't hurting anyone.

Well, your little trick didn't exactly go to plan, did it SardiH?

So sorry not sorry you didn't get the frothing you expected, so you could screenshot it for Twitter.

Please do feel free to fuck off now.

Blackribboner, I hope you’re okay with the awful disablism in your post. Autistic people in particular struggle with social communication, and confusing or changeable pronouns are a huge effort - especially when you base them on sex and lying physically hurts.

If you’re trying to be right-on, you’ll need to watch all your “isms”. Or maybe you only care about certain groups

Dandybelle I would think that most true transgender women don't want their penis anymore than an actual woman would like a penis.

That's what most reasonable people think. But unfortunately the stats are something like 80% of transwomen retain their fully functioning penis and balls, and have no intention of getting rid of any of it. That's kind of the problem.

YANBU, and you’re very sensible not to stick around for the vitriol!

👍🏻 Good effort!

BlackRibboner
just refusing to give others respect

Over looking the fact that one of those was from an autistic poster explain the confusion she feels...

You have a group that's been shown no respect, to the point of being dehumanised as 'terfs' for asking questions, very reasonable questions thousands are worried about.

How to you think respect happens, it's a two way thing.

I just hope enough good people stand up with the trans community against this hatred and bigotry and that we move towards a better and kinder and more understanding world for transpeople.

I stand with the trans community against hatred and bigotry, no one should face hatred and bigotry.

I don't think pretending people can change sex is accepting trans people though; filing them into man or woman boxes and pretending they didn't have a past isn't accepting, it's erasing and doesn't take into account the needs and vulnerabilities they have because of their trans status. I fully accept trans people and their trans past unlike all the people who say trans women ARE women.

@ShotsFired really? I didn't realise that. Must do more research.

But, for the people saying they want to keep penises (peni?) out of the safe spaces of women, whilst I appreciate that there have been cases of women being assaulted, in particular the case of the transgender woman in a women's prison that's in the news just now, surely that is the exception, not the rule?

Not any more, trans no longer just means someone with gender disphoria, it covers a massive umbrella of people, most who have their penises.

Cliques, I'm not trying to be right on. I appreciate it's harder for some people to communicate or remember changes and the transpeople I've met are generally accepting of that. But that doesn't mean an effort shouldn't be made. In the same way autism and other conditions shouldn't be an automatic get out clause for bad behaviour, there needs to be give and take on both sides.

something rattled your cage tonight, OP?

I stand with the trans community against hatred and bigotry, no one should face hatred and bigotry.

I don't think pretending people can change sex is accepting trans people though; filing them into man or woman boxes and pretending they didn't have a past isn't accepting, it's erasing and doesn't take into account the needs and vulnerabilities they have because of their trans status. I fully accept trans people and their trans past unlike all the people who say trans women ARE women.

Yes, exactly.

I want people to be able to dress however they want, call themselves what they want, "present" (for want of a better word) how they want. No-one should lose a job, or a place to live, or be harassed in the street, because they are trans.

But there's a tiny percentage of situations where biology matters: women's sports, women's prisons, women's rape crisis centres and domestic violence shelters, individual women's right to request a HCP who is the same sex as them (not "same gender") for intimate exams. And we need to be able to protect women's rights in these situations.

So you joined Mumsnet to specifically post this or name-changed to 'hide' your apparent support for the trans community? How very odd...

I hope you feel better now you’ve made your little speech

Now if you could educate yourself on the difference between transphobia and gender critical, that would be great

I would think that most true transgender women don't want their penis anymore than an actual woman would like a penis.

Does that include the trans "lesbians" who say that a female born lesbian who doesn't want to suck their "lady dick" is transphobic?

there needs to be give and take on both sides.

And yet, there isn't, which side is stopping advertisers and sending abuse in twitter?

Captainkirk not overlooking, didn't realise. Clearly a bad example. I absolutely agree respect is a two way street and I think there's been a lot of poor behaviour from trans groups too. But surely the point then is to take everyone as individuals? Not refuse to interact with or acknowledge transpeople because you're angry about the issues around self ID or the behaviour of some trans activists

'But, for the people saying they want to keep penises (peni?) out of the safe spaces of women, whilst I appreciate that there have been cases of women being assaulted, in particular the case of the transgender woman in a women's prison that's in the news just now, surely that is the exception, not the rule? '

Oh well that's ok then, as long as only a few women and girls are being assaulted and abused so that trans people's feelings aren't hurt by having to use a the men's/ a third space toilet 🙄 You are talking about people, women are people! not one women should be subject to assault in a safe space, the spaces women before us fought for.

It's women having a view and a discussion about what it means to be a woman, and what the implications are for women and girls - a marginalised and protected class - if 'woman' is defined by self proclaimed 'gender identity' rather than by sex.

It's a perfectly legitimate issue to discuss, debate, and organise political action around.

Tell me what the parallel is between that, and racism / homophobia / xenophobia.