Transphobia

[SardiH]

I am absolutely disgusted by the vile bigotry and absolutely hatred shown by some people on here. I realise those people peddling this feel justified in doing so. The truth is the bigoted never see their form of bigotry as bigotry. Racists doing think they bigoted they think they have a valid point of view - truth is they are vile racists. Homophobic people the same. Sexist people the same. Mysogynistic the same. Xenophobic the same. And transphobic = yes indeed, exactly the same. It's very sad. It's sad for the people who hold such hatred in their hearts. It's sad for the transgender community who have to live with the consequences of such bigotry and ignorance and haterd and opposition to just fulfilling their destiny as they feel it.

I just hope enough good people stand up with the trans community against this hatred and bigotry and that we move towards a better and kinder and more understanding world for transpeople. We have made great progress with this over recent years despite the best efforts of some.

I hope those with hate in their hearts can heal in time and become kinder and more understanding. My wise old grandma used to say those who bear hatred of others can never be truly happy.

I know the backlash to this post will be vile from some. I won't be reading the replies. I have no need to.

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They never sound very bright or interesting do they? It's like the trans thing is the only thing they can think of to appear on anyone's radar.

Madmarchpear They never sound very bright or interesting do they? It's like the trans thing is the only thing they can think of to appear on anyone's radar.

I find it mind blowingly repugnant how women raising concerns about an ideology that has directly led to the sexual assault of four women are considered “not very bright or interesting”. How do you think the debate should be enlivened then? What else should be discussed instead?

Just as a slightly different question that I never really see answered; if so many people want trans women to continue to use male spaces, are you all very happy with trans men continuing to use female spaces? Regardless of how stereotypically masculine they appear? Would everyone just carry on regardless if a male presenting person came in to a single sex female space?

IME most transmen do use women's spaces unless they are 100% sure they pass.

YANBU op

My point is that transgender women feel like they were born in the wrong body. So in their minds, they are women. Albeit, with different genitalia.

How is anyone, especially women, supposed to tell the difference between those transwomen and men who are just pretending in order to get access to women and girls in vulnerable situations?

Is Alex Drummond obviously a woman?

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Someone who appears to be a male is worrying to women in a single-sex female space, letsghostdance, whether that person is actually a threat or not. So, No.

The same isn't true of someone who appears to be female in a single-sex male space. More the opposite.

I agree with you, op

Oh dear. I'm not calling people Mumsnutters.

You are calling people 'phobes'.

Do you fully understand female concerns about the potential change in the GRA? Do you understand why it is appropriate for females to discuss these concerns? Do you understand why it is appropriate for females to explain these concerns to politicians who will be shaping the GRA? Its essential for both trans women’s concerns and female concerns to be recognised and considered particularly as the drive for males to access female spaces comes from males and directly effects females. Rightly those with body dysmorphia can already identify as women and access female only spaces. Looking at cold hard statistics, male physical abuse to females is of significance. Safe guarding for females and males needs to be a priority.

Important for everyone with an opinion to be heard, regardless of that opinion.

Ah, fake announcement of "I got private messages from people who agree with me" by someone who clearly has childrightsphobia and is clearly not a parent.

@SardiH it is your right to post your opinion on MN as you see fit, but it's not unreasonable for posters to then politely disagree with you and ask questions.

I don't think you should have to reply to personal attacks, I'm not going to do that anyway but I will ask you two simple questions and would appreciate a reply as these have never been answered on MN yet without using depressing stereotypes or, in the case of the first question, the word 'woman':

1. What makes transwomen women?
2. How can live in a society where we accept out self-ID but that also keeps women and girls - an extremely vulnerable group - safe and their privacy respected?

It's interesting that so many people are replying to say they're not transphobic... If you're not, then surely OP wasn't talking about you and you don't need to worry?

LividAtDolphins Since there is basically no transphobia on this site and any spotted is easily removed, why does the OP have to worry about transphobia on here?

So rather than have a reasoned debate you instead act like a toddler with verbal diarrhoea?

Ok hun ? = 🤢🤮

Hi all, just wanted to say once again thanks to all the people who posted nice and supportive messages on here as well as those who sent nice messages to my inbox. I am glad I posted this having got some messages from people personally effected. I do understand its possible to have conserns about things such as self ID which are genuine conserns that don't stem from transphobia - and for those people I'd say the important thing is how you phrase and advance your argument without giving the impression of opposition to the trans community. While I'm not personally fearful of self ID, I don't wish to be dismissive of genuine conserns. Unfortunately some people use this sort of thing to try and legitimise what is essentially just bigotry.

Anyway, I'm off to Portugal - escaping our wonderful Scottish weather for a bit - so i wish everyone a good weekend x

Livid I do not want and will never accept losing female sex segregated spaces.

It is not trans people I exclude, just anyone male.

However saying this and pointing out that transwomen are male is enough to be labelled a transphobic TERF and be compared to Nazis.

Being transphobic doesnt mean hating trans people.

Transphobia is knowing females and males have a different biological sex, and that cant be changed.

SardiH concerns, affected.

- and for those people I'd say the important thing is how you phrase and advance your argument without giving the impression of opposition to the trans community

Women: mind your language.

PMSL Oh the need to say repeatedly thanks for the PMs - seriously, who are you trying to convince, yourself or us? If you have to try that hard, honey, it ain't real. Believe me I've seen this kind of immature try-hard humble bragging about so-called PMs before. My house and years salary say there are no PMs.