Transphobia

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I am absolutely disgusted by the vile bigotry and absolutely hatred shown by some people on here. I realise those people peddling this feel justified in doing so. The truth is the bigoted never see their form of bigotry as bigotry. Racists doing think they bigoted they think they have a valid point of view - truth is they are vile racists. Homophobic people the same. Sexist people the same. Mysogynistic the same. Xenophobic the same. And transphobic = yes indeed, exactly the same. It's very sad. It's sad for the people who hold such hatred in their hearts. It's sad for the transgender community who have to live with the consequences of such bigotry and ignorance and haterd and opposition to just fulfilling their destiny as they feel it.

I just hope enough good people stand up with the trans community against this hatred and bigotry and that we move towards a better and kinder and more understanding world for transpeople. We have made great progress with this over recent years despite the best efforts of some.

I hope those with hate in their hearts can heal in time and become kinder and more understanding. My wise old grandma used to say those who bear hatred of others can never be truly happy.

I know the backlash to this post will be vile from some. I won't be reading the replies. I have no need to.

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I also stand with the trans community and would support them to be accepted for who they feel they are. They have every right to live happy, safe lives free of abuse and bigotry.

However, humans cannot change sex and women have a right to sex segregated spaces. Lesbians have a right to choose who to have sex with. Females have a right to compete in sports or go to rape crisis centres without the presence of men. Female prisoners have the right to be safe from transwomen offenders in their cells. Parents should not have to worry that their daughters are sharing accommodation with males on Girl Guide residentials.

This is not transphobic. This is open debate in which intelligent, civilised people can discus their views and experiences. I have seen no transphobia on MN. If you do OP then I suggest that you report it.

Don't really know why I bothered seeing as you just hoped to stir up some transphobia and screen shot it or whatever to prove that MN is full of transphobes. Bad luck.

It's a bit telling op that you're not prepared to listen to people with different views to yours. Shouldn't biological women be allowed a voice as well. Can you really not see why women want to feel safe.

Thank you for this post! I feel exactly the same as you, it's disgusting how transphobic mumsnet appears to be! Had a look at the 'feminist' thread...almost every other post is transphobic

Really puts me off it 🤮 might as well read the Daily Fail

You want to talk about racism and homophobia OP? Current trans ideology is about as homophobic as it gets. Pretty racist too, when black women are constantly used as proof that men can be women too.

Dandy the concerns around self Id are mostly that it allows men to declare they self id and get access to women's spaces. The main worry is men abusing it. Time was a man would have to display some commitment to be treated as a woman. Now before the law has even changed any old Tom, Steve or Harry can declare they're a woman. And not all of those men are lovely.
This starts from worries about men.

But surely the point then is to take everyone as individuals? Not refuse to interact with or acknowledge transpeople because you're angry about the issues around self ID or the behaviour of some trans activists

I take people as individuals, I'm respectful to those who respect me, lots of transsexuals are distancing themselves from the current activism and speaking out.

Do you knowany adults with autism, and how change is generally a big issue?
I have trouble saying goodbye to my old shoes, I'm increase inept at talking or remembering etiquette around people who identify as the opposite sex.

Luckily in real life people know me and know that, they respect it takes a while, respect is two way.

Just had a "debate" with dsd over the transgender man/woman in a woman's prison. I told her I did not agree that he/she should ever have been allowed in there and this is what happens when people can self identify. Well that didn't go down well.
She insisted that women rape men too, more transgenders are raped than women and that more transgenders suffer physical and sexual attacks than women do.
She also defended the right for a transgender woman to have a penis as 'they might not want the surgery'.
This is supposedly a highly educated young woman. She then referred to her own father as a 'cis man' which believe me had she referred to me as a cis anything she would have been put right.

Ironic how you have no understanding of autism but expect instant understand from people of trans issues

It works two ways and it takes time.

As a white person, I am not the same race as a black person.

Is that racist, or fact?

As a heterosexual, I do not have the same sexuality as a lesbian.

Homophobic or fact?

As a female, I am not the same sex as a male or transwoman.

Transphobic or fact?

The first two are accepted as facts, the third is transphobic.
Yet no one can explain why

But, for the people saying they want to keep penises (peni?) out of the safe spaces of women, whilst I appreciate that there have been cases of women being assaulted, in particular the case of the transgender woman in a women's prison that's in the news just now, surely that is the exception, not the rule?

That's like saying let's not bother having sex segregation because NAMALT. We have sex segregated spaces for a reason and that's not because we like wearing dresses and feeling ladylike.

@Hyppolyta I'm sure you've come across many people who attempted to explain to you why. Sex and gender are 2 different dimensions that can't be found in, for example, race.

As many people here, I understand the issues with women's rights and transgenderism and yet, I can't comprehend how the hate displayed in this forum every other day is not considered transphobia. Amazed.

For those asking for examples, the first one coming to mind is to call transgender women "lady dicks". There are loads.

For those asking for examples, the first one coming to mind is to call transgender women "lady dicks". There are loads.
I've not seen this, I have seen people quote tranwomen saying it though.

^ this

Everyday this person is going to be disposing of more and more papers.

Sorry wrong thread.

*For those asking for examples, the first one coming to mind is to call transgender women "lady dicks"

You mean when people post screen shots from twitter by TRA that say “suck my ladydick and die in a fire TERFs”?

That is a lot of 'ists' and 'bics'

And it’s not even half-term yet.

Please report any transphobia.

Being gender critical does not= transphobic

HTH

And if you find the dictionary definition of woman transphobic then you are a misogynist bigot.

@CaptainKirkssparetupee I’m dying to know what that was actually in reference to! 😆

Newspapers.

@Dandybelle ShotsFired really? I didn't realise that. Must do more research.

Yup. There is so much misinformation out there (and you have to wonder why/who benefits from that?). Even the definition of trans - I expect you probably think it means people who have a terrible dysphoria and sincerely wish to live their lives as if they were the opposite sex (well, whatever they think that means, but you know what I mean?). Again, most people do.

Nope. According to Stonewall, it pretty much includes every and any person who doesn't look, act or live like they stepped out of a 1950s sitcom. there's no requirement to have the dysphoria diagnosis, no need to adopt masculine/feminine presentation or appearance, and certainly no need to ever be considering surgery or any kind. And of course this all may be for today, a week, a month or a year. Or not really any time at all. It's all entirely optional.
(although that is not mentioning the rampant homophobia inherent in it all - fancy the same sex? Must be trans, not lesbian or gay etc)

Which is how we got to this madness where masculine presenting men with male bodies and male lives and male experiences are claiming to know how to woman better than someone born female; and they they are lesbians with female penises etc. And they want in on our safe spaces because they are even more oppressed and vulnerable than we are.

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