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To think the tide is turning with transgenderism

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abacucat · 11/10/2018 10:05

There have been a flood of articles in mainstream newspapers criticising transgenderism and putting forward the feminist perspective. It is not long ago that no mainstream newspaper would carry these articles. The tide seems to be turning.

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CaligulaBlushed · 11/10/2018 16:09

Does anyone have any ideas for breakfast recipes?

Aaaaa shit, Verbeena, we forgot recipe derailments!

ADastardlyThing · 11/10/2018 16:11

False call I'm afraid!

No one has said transphobia doesn't exist on Mumsnet. Of course it does. As does racism, homophobia, disablism.......for instance on another thread someone who was 'pro-trans' / anti GC made reference to transpeople taking medication. A trans supporter didn't even have a clue they were being massively transphobic! So yes there are examples but they are usually deleted sharpish when reported.

Feels wrong saying pro-trans/trans supporter in this context as I too am very pro-trans and support them 100%, it's just to make the distinction.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/10/2018 16:11

I am struggling with your point verbeena

If you have reported transphobic posts and they have been deleted how on earth are the boards still full of transphobic posts

Or are you saying that MNHQ are not deleting transphobic posts...

StormTreader · 11/10/2018 16:11

Oh no! clutches muffins to my ample bosom But HOW will we feed the children?

OunceOfFlounce · 11/10/2018 16:13

Shame to see this thread being derailed by accusations about fwr, there were some really interesting discussion going on.

noeffingidea · 11/10/2018 16:14

Young people are overwhelmingly trans positive
How do you know this? Is it your impression from your friends and acquaintances, or social media perhaps?
I'm just asking because my son has told me the opposite (about himself and the people he knows at uni). Not that they're particularly anti trans in the sense of wanting any harm to come to them, but things like pronouns are seen as a bit of a joke. The whole thing is treated like a joke (though hopefully not in the sense of openly mocking trans people or being openly rude to them.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 11/10/2018 16:14

I know, Ounce. Still, children will want to have their fun.

CaligulaBlushed · 11/10/2018 16:16

If you have reported transphobic posts and they have been deleted how on earth are the boards still full of transphobic posts

Something may not be sufficiently blatant in isolation, but the culmination of all those close-to-the-wire posts is pretty clear to any outside viewer. Why do you think so many people drop in to call everyone transphobic then never return? It's because from the outside that is so obviously the net effect. The intolerance may as well be a flashing neon sign.

ADastardlyThing · 11/10/2018 16:20

Noeffing that's my experience speaking with friends DC and my nieces and nephews. Like it's all a big eyeroll and even at a young age when normally kids are starting to be outspoken and really have their own minds, they are simply being polite to their friends, and also shit scared of repurcussions.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 11/10/2018 16:20

This thread is making me laugh.

HandlebarTash81 · 11/10/2018 16:21

The loudest voices are trans-positive because it fits the zeitgeist. Don’t be fooled that’s a majority.

noeffingidea · 11/10/2018 16:21

Caligula I think Mumsnet covers that though. I think they call it being 'against the spirit of the board' or something.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 11/10/2018 16:22

There's a saying: An empty vessel makes the most noise...

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 11/10/2018 16:23

(That was in response to Handlebar's post.

HandlebarTash81 · 11/10/2018 16:23

I’ve heard transphobic so often now that it has no effect. If this is transphobic, so be it. No doubt we’ll revise the semantics retrospectively when the reality of this has all rolled out.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 16:24

Aaaaa shit, Verbeena, we forgot recipe derailments!

Dammit Grin

I noticed the last one before closing down and getting to 40 pages ended up with one of them having the last words by cereal talking and then by shouting WEETABIX lol, so yes, perfectly acceptable to dab off your card.

ADastardlyThing · 11/10/2018 16:25

I like "the squeaky wheel gets the grease"

Or in my house "the fucking door needs some wd40 on it again "

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 16:27

Something may not be sufficiently blatant in isolation, but the culmination of all those close-to-the-wire posts is pretty clear to any outside viewer.

Yep, close to the wire,and don't forget the dog whistly "I didn't mean it like that, I meant something else, silly" type ones if they are called out on it.
Not clear enough to be deleted, skirting round trying to get away with it ones.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/10/2018 16:28

It just gets tiresome

No engaging with the thread...just pop on and slag off FWR, using an example from someone who also slags off FWR

Just seems a bit ...well pointless I suppose

PipGoesPop · 11/10/2018 16:28

No. It shouldn't be in FWR. Guess what? Issues talked about on FWR directly effect you if you're a woman, or have daughters or female friends. Wake up!

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 16:31

Wake up usually meaning agree with us or bog off or get name called which is what usually happens

PlantsArePeopleToo · 11/10/2018 16:33

Caligula The Canadian shooter threads weren't nice and I didn't participate in them. They were also all deleted IIRC so obviously MNHQ agreed with us. I fail to see the problem there. The transphobia as as spotted, challenged, reported and dealt with so HQ obviously did their jobs.

The organ donor one was about hypothetical womb transplants. A lot of women didn't feel comfortable about their womb going to someone who was male bodied when they would prefer them to go to someone female bodied. I don't agree with them but they are entitled to their own feelings on it. And this was all hypothetical anyway because we aren't transplanting wombs (yet). I doubt anyone would care if their heart or kidney for instance were to go to a transgender person because the sex of the of the person receiving it is irrelevant.

The posts about Lily Madigan are valid. That person clearly isn't in the right frame of mind to be any officer for Labour let alone a woman's one. Quite frankly Labour should be ashamed of taking advantage of someone who is clearly vulnerable. The piss taking of her on here can be a bit harsh sometimes but she does bring a lot of it on herself with the idiotic things she says (like claiming she can get pregnant). I don't think the fact LM is trans should give her a get out clause from criticism. If it was anyone else saying the same things she is, hell even if a woman was going on like her, then they would be under the same amount of scrutiny, criticism and piss taking. The fact she is trans should not stop people from calling her out on her BS.

I didn't see the phalloplasty post so I can't comment on that.

Nobody on here thinks transwomen and transgirls are all perverts, sex offenders and rapists. I've seen people claim that's what is being said but I'm yet to actually see anyone claim that.

What people are saying however is that sex offenders and perverts will take advantage of self ID policies and laws in order to male offending easier. That is not the same thing as saying that transwomen and transgirls are all doing it just to perve on us. Remember that trans women have shared spaces with us for years without issue.

Think about it now. If you're a sex offender or simply just a creep who likes to intimidate women then why wouldn't you jump at the chance of simply having to say "I identify as a woman and then boom you're allowed in female changing rooms at the gym. If any woman challenges them then they just have to say they are doing nothing wrong and claim transphobia.

Tbh I find it baffling that people hear the words 'predatory men will use self ID in order to get easier access to victims' and somehow come to the conclusion that we are saying all trans women are predatory or only doing it to be predatory.

In fact if you can show me any post which claims that all trans women are perverts or sex offenders then I will donate a tenner to a charity of your choice.

CaligulaBlushed · 11/10/2018 16:34

Nah, it means if only you applied your two braincells to what we're discussing you'd agree with us!

Because all women with a basic level of intelligence agree. I refer you to AIBU as my evidence.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/10/2018 16:35

So you are saying mumsnet dont delete transphobic posts verbeena?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/10/2018 16:35

To be fair when threads are derailed I usually go off course as well

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