To think the tide is turning with transgenderism

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There have been a flood of articles in mainstream newspapers criticising transgenderism and putting forward the feminist perspective. It is not long ago that no mainstream newspaper would carry these articles. The tide seems to be turning.

Where did i say it was?

You didn't. This is seriously bonkers lol. Some just seriously can't accept anything being said, it's just.... I can't even lol.

Go away Louis. It's just tedious. And desperate.

Louis and anyone else who isn't sure.

If you want to make it clear who you are replying to please use name (no spaces). That will bold the name so it is clear without sending out an annoying bat signal. Thank you.

Is flinging shit another way of saying you can't find any way of taking what I said and using it to suit your version of events? I'm happy to debate a whole number of things, but claiming I've said something I haven't is just plain wrong

I'm all for a discussion, but some show why there really is actually no point at all.
Even being pointed out twisting tactics when you say something, it's but we didn't say that.
As per the beginning of the thread, people are saying there's no point discussing meaningfully as you get twisted to shit and saying that you said something even in cases when you never, in any form, did.

Go on then. Let's have a good faith debate.

I know Binglebong, normally it works fine but ny copy and paste seems to keep defaulting back like an autocorrect that won't die

Promise to stop copy and pasting since I can't seem to sort it!

Ereshkigal show me where I minimised gaslighting etc first. You can't just make up something like that and hope to move on if you're called on it

So I see you're incapable of a good faith debate Louis. Good to know. Saves me any further effort.

Urban Dictionary

"Gaslighting"
'A form of intimidation or psychological abuse, sometimes called Ambient Abuse where false^ information is presented to the victim, making them doubt their memory, perception and quite often, their sanity^

The false is key, or it isn't gaslighting

Telling the truth, instead of a white lie, may sometimes be cruel & unnecessary, even bullying, but it isn't "gaslighting."

It not true that transwomen are women
Mass bullying of women, repeating the TWAW mantra as fact - and threatening their careers, safety, families - into accepting that false fact, would be an example of attempted gaslighting

I haven't made up anything btw. Not engaging any further.

We'll just have to leave it at you can't, so instead of saying you got it wrong you'll go low to "tedious" and "desperate". A good faith debate depends on a show of good faith- your mad claims and failure to back them up fall short of that criteria

Exactly BigChoc. So many people haven't a clue what it means.

They just use it because they like the sound of it.

Whatevs, Louis. You think what you like.

Well BigChocFrenzy I respect you trying to re-rail the thread

...see what I did there Binglebong - got my bold sorted

Bigchoc has pretty much confirmed my definition. Have you confused me with another poster or something?

I'm happy to debate a whole number of things, but claiming I've said something I haven't is just plain wrong

That's what gets me too, it's called out on here more as it's less of an echo chamber.
I've apparently said there's too many self ID threads and we should all shut up about it. Never happened, I've said no such thing. I know I haven't.
Just one example off the top of my head without scrolling back pages.
In between all the trying to twist and name call, I have tried to ask so where do transwomen go then?
On the past thread I tried to explain that for me, it's not just about I have a fanny and boobs and have given birth twice through the front bum, but that I feel like a woman mentally too. I do in both ways. If your genitalia don't match up with your head, that's some pretty big gap there and must be distressing.
Got told stop being woolly, that's not an answer. Presumably because that's not the "right" answer.

Mental is different to physical. Both important though.Who knows what goes on before birth/genes/whatever? Could probably phrase that better but I'm no expert at all, just me!

Maybe there's loads we just don't understand properly yet. Thinking out loud here.

I'm all for a discussion, but some show why there really is actually no point at all.
Even being pointed out twisting tactics when you say something, it's but we didn't say that.
As per the beginning of the thread, people are saying there's no point discussing meaningfully as you get twisted to shit and saying that you said something even in cases when you never, in any form, did.

Eh?

Datun, they just post garbage to fill up the thread.

I think the opposite. Outside of MN I see more tolerance and acceptance everywhere than there has ever been before. I’m just now reading a programme of events my work has circulated for national coming out day which includes lunch time seminars about how to support colleagues transitioning at work, an update on developments to our offices which incorporate new gender neutral spaces, and an event for Transgender Remembrance Day on 20 November.

That is sad Beastie.

Why is that sad? I'm all for supporting trans people and them having equal rights. Gender neutral is a step in the right direction isn't it? I'm opposed to the GRA reform and those that self declare being able to have access to women's spaces, not the existence of gender neutral spaces or trans people all together.

Are you at least not going to acknowledge anything else?
That's what you home in on?
Going to assume you haven't seen my latest post and it was a crosspost thing.

Make mens spaces mixed sex and leave women alone.

Why is that sad? I'm all for supporting trans people and them having equal rights. Gender neutral is a step in the right direction isn't it? I'm opposed to the GRA reform and those that self declare being able to have access to women's spaces, not the existence of gender neutral spaces or trans people all together

This, I let it slide when there was barely any dissenting voices. As knew how it would usually go. Immediate thought was why is it sad to want to include others?
Can see problems with total self ID here too, but not against banning transwomen altogether. Which some do want.

I've said, yet again, what I think about being a woman. I just get eh's. And accused of filling the thread up with garbage.
I rest my case. There is no bloody POINT.