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To think the tide is turning with transgenderism

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abacucat · 11/10/2018 10:05

There have been a flood of articles in mainstream newspapers criticising transgenderism and putting forward the feminist perspective. It is not long ago that no mainstream newspaper would carry these articles. The tide seems to be turning.

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PlantsArePeopleToo · 11/10/2018 19:54

caligula probably for the best. I'd kick your ass Wink

Datun · 11/10/2018 19:55

VerbeenaBeeks

People aren't frustrated because of your viewpoint. They're frustrated because you refuse to give your viewpoint. Whilst clearly disagreeing with everything that people are saying.

It's a tactic that is used by TRAs. Whether you like that or not, it's the case. Disagreement with no basis.

If you are too worried to defend your viewpoint, and therefore won't give it, then the obvious conclusion will be that your viewpoint doesn't stand up.

If you can defend your viewpoint, but feel outnumbered, then the solution is to say that's my viewpoint, I've defended it, if you don't agree, fine.

But hinting at an entirely justifiable argument, whilst failing to provide it, is just winding people up.

McTufty · 11/10/2018 19:56

Do not get me started on Danielle Muscato.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/10/2018 19:56

Who kept posting "I see you" on this thread, because I'll report that too

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 19:59

Verbeena don't give them the headspace. This sinister and disturbing "we see you" nonsense is women at their very worst. It really is creepy, insidious and passive aggressive.

You're right, enough crap going round my head overthinking most days without headspacing this as well Grin and it totally is really creepy and PA, you're right.

They may see you, but we've got you sister

aww Flowers thanks genuine heart lift there Smile will remember that saying. We should make it a thing Smile

Lazypoolday · 11/10/2018 19:59

Easier than them actually physically saying it, because then they can deny they do it.

I said it. I'm not going to deny it. Why would I? The reason I did is because it just seemed to me that Verbeena was using common tactics to derail the discussion and also just lying and then backtracking when the lies were pointed out. Also the whole "you are all hysterical scaremongers where's the evidence", and then just ignoring said evidence was infuriating.

Anyway, I apologise

I don't think

Datun · 11/10/2018 19:59

We see you is shorthand for letting the person know that you think they have a hidden agenda.

When you refuse to give your argument, but maintain that it is irrefutable, it's unsurprising that people think you have an agenda.

Louislovesmud · 11/10/2018 20:00

I already have @BigChocFrenzy. It was posted at 12:24, but I only started reading the thread this evening

Lazypoolday · 11/10/2018 20:01

Sorry that "I don't think" at the end shouldn't be there!

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 20:02

People aren't frustrated because of your viewpoint. They're frustrated because you refuse to give your viewpoint

Because I have done on previous threads, I'm not doing it again as I'm not falling for it. Let someone else get suckered in to answering.

SlightAggrandising · 11/10/2018 20:02

I said it and I stand by it.

Hyppolyta · 11/10/2018 20:03

We see you is women at its worst?

From someone who thinks rapists like Karen White are women, thats some fucked up morals.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/10/2018 20:04

But apparently there's no transphobia on the board. confused

Nobody has ever fucking said that...stop making shit up for fucks sake

Posts after post after fucking post saying that 'transphobic posts exist' and you still come up with this bollocks

Honestly verbeena give it up Grin

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 20:04

We see you is women at its worst?

You realise it's not an either or, situation right? Women being at their worst can take on other forms too.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/10/2018 20:05

Im only on page 11

Can you tell? Is it really obvious?

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 11/10/2018 20:05

We see you is shorthand for letting the person know that you think they have a hidden agenda.

Ah, thanks. I've occasionally wondered.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/10/2018 20:06

Lazy Then please say so, if you think Verbeena is using those classic tactics
"I see you" is well, lazy

It wouldn't bother me at all, if you said it to me, but it is obviously causing offence to a few posters.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 20:06

TRA would actually be reasonable and not insulting, as you obviously support trans rights very vigorously

No I don't. I've actually said women including myself think there are concerns surrounding self ID, but refuse to have any part of the extreme viewpoint that takes over the boards.
Definitely not an activist in any way.

Villainelle · 11/10/2018 20:07

'This sinister and disturbing "we see you" nonsense is women at their very worst. It really is creepy, insidious and passive aggressive.'

Women at their very worst are still a hell of a sight less creepy, insidious and passive aggressive, oh and just aggressive in general, less than TRAs at their worst.

If you don't believe me, read www.terfisaslur.com

Now would you rather someone said 'I see you' or 'TERFs can suck my lady dick 👊🏻'?

BigChocFrenzy · 11/10/2018 20:08

For me, it's definitely not "women at their worst", but it is unnecessary

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 20:10

Now would you rather someone said 'I see you' or 'TERFs can suck my lady dick

I'd hate both. In one, you'd be attacking me for being a woman with a viewpoint, in the other you'd be attacking my for being a woman by calling me a man and saying we see you as you don't like my viewpoint.
Both are awful and both are putting women down.

Datun · 11/10/2018 20:12

Because I have done on previous threads, I'm not doing it again as I'm not falling for it. Let someone else get suckered in to answering.

Who else? You're the person ramping this thread up saying you disagree with everything. What's the point? What's your beef? Why are you bothering?

Caligula has said, I believe that legality is what constitutes a woman. So at least that's something.

(My question where does that leave the other 645,000 transpeople has gone unanswered.)

We see you is usually in relation to a sexist agenda. Not just any old agenda.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/10/2018 20:12

Verbeena What is the extreme part you object to?

Stating a transwomen is not a woman and never can be ?

Reporting some of the male predators who have claimed to be women and committed rapes of women and children and other serious assaults ?

Opposing self-ID ?

If we agree all the above or at least think they are reasonable topics to discuss, then is it a matter of debating styles ?
I'm a bit puzzled

Datun · 11/10/2018 20:15

You don't have to be man to be sexist.

The feminist feeling is that if womanhood a collection of stereotypes that can be displayed by a man, that very attitude is sexist.

Which it is.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 20:17

You don't have to be man to be sexist.

Did I say differently? How are we on about sexism now? I don't have any agenda, sexist or otherwise.