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To think the tide is turning with transgenderism

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abacucat · 11/10/2018 10:05

There have been a flood of articles in mainstream newspapers criticising transgenderism and putting forward the feminist perspective. It is not long ago that no mainstream newspaper would carry these articles. The tide seems to be turning.

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Lazypoolday · 11/10/2018 19:19

Just double checked, it was Danielle Muscato I was referring to not Pips Bunce.

Changing the goalposts again. So where is the link to this then? Pretty sure Muscato tweeted a pic of hormones prescribed in their name. That's how people realised they were in a women's shelter because the address was visible.

Elephantinacravat · 11/10/2018 19:19

Also this is what Verbeena wrote about Pips Bunce before Danielle Muscato was even mentioned:

I googled Pips Bunce after hearing all the outrage towards on here.
If you frequent the FWR boards and don't look any further, you'd probably be under the impression that she's trolling and trying to wind up women by taking the piss "just wearing a dress a few days a week and the others being a man."
From all I read I gleaned that she is a transwoman but can't take hormones etc due to a medical reason,so is transitioning slowly and in the meantime obviously doesn't "pass" very well as is still very male looking.
If that's all true, makes the FWR look even pettier and nastier the amount of crap thrown when her name comes up.

Got Pips Bunce mixed up with Danielle Muscato did you?

Did you fuck.

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 19:19

I know which kind of feminist I am.

So do I. I'm the kind of feminist who centres women and girls. You know, like other movements to address injustice and oppression and experienced by a specific class of people are allowed to centre their specific issues. Your idea of "feminism" has moved away from that clear lucid concept somewhat. But you do you! Feminism is for all genders! Just a shame you've emptied the word of all meaning.

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 19:20

Really going now Smile

CaligulaBlushed · 11/10/2018 19:21

I will if you actually bother to answer my (very easy) questions first caligula.

You asked, "So in what way is Danielle Muscato a woman?"

I said, "LEGALLY".

It's logical, it's not circular, it's TRUE.

Stonewall please.

CosmicCanary · 11/10/2018 19:21

Ha ha ha ha ha Verb are your pants on fire by chance 😂😂😂

Lazypoolday · 11/10/2018 19:22

Got Pips Bunce mixed up with Danielle Muscato did you?

Did you fuck

Lol, blatant lies. We see you verbeena. I expect them to retreat from this thread shortly, citing transphobia and how there is no use engaging of course.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 19:22

I’m disgusted at the person Saying basically that you disagree with a rememberance day for trans people because ‘more woman are killed’ it is like saying there’s no point discussing testicular cancer because more die from breast cancer - it’s this approach that gives this a bad name.
Same, awful.

I’m ashamed to be GC these days, I don’t speak openly about concerns on Self ID much anymore for fear of being tarred with the brush that some of you so openly paint with.
Same too. Some might not believe it, but I actually started off posting on the boards concerned about self ID.

Elephantinacravat · 11/10/2018 19:24

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CosmicCanary · 11/10/2018 19:24

Same too. Some might not believe it, but I actually started off posting on the boards concerned about self ID.

I wouldnt believe a word you say after your blatant lies up thread Hmm

ohello · 11/10/2018 19:25

I think once people start noticing that sexual boundaries are being eroded, especially for little girls, then they will change their tune. In theory these people understand that some (smallish) percent of the male population are sexual predators who will use any loophole at all to their advantage and therefore women and children need sex-segregated spaces, but all of sudden when it comes to any man claiming to have Ladybrain Personality, they forget all that.

This reminds me of all those years when mra's would instigate convo after convo, badgering feminists about the "nuance of consent since it was all so confusing and women were mean". They'd have day's long badger sessions asking if XYZ was rape as if they could "nuance" their way out of respecting a woman's NO. They'd ask, is it rape if he just puts the tip in and she already said no to sex, is it rape if she had consensual sex with him once ten years ago, is it rape if she was drunk, is it rape if she's wearing provocative clothing and clearly wanting sex with any man at all, is it rape if she has a boyfriend so obviously enjoys sex. It was DISGUSTING to witness.

And now they're pulling the same routine regarding when is a penis a vagina and it's all so confusing because intersex and women are mean.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 19:25

Lol, blatant lies. We see you verbeena.

You can see me all you bloody like Hmm, get MNHQ to check me out, been here years and definitely not a we see you here.
All female. Even if you choose to believe there's a massive agenda behind anyone disagreeing.
Then you wonder why people don't engage? Wish I hadn't bloody apologised and clarified that I got it wrong, should have known it'd be thrown back in my face.

Datun · 11/10/2018 19:25

The other threads are shouting over and over "so what is a woman?" People answer, you get told, don't like the answer, around we go again.

Not at all.

Caligula said the line is in the stand is whether someone is legally a woman which I'm assuming you agree with?

So the criteria is a gender recognition certificate.

Because that takes care of 5000 out of 650,000.

So that means 645,000 people who identify as the opposite sex - aren't.

In your opinion.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 19:26

I wouldnt believe a word you say after your blatant lies up thread

Fine, don't then. it was a genuine mix up should have known how these threads go. As I said, should have known better than to apologise and clarify, these threads are beyond that.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/10/2018 19:26

What is female ?

By definition, women & girls are homogametic, i.e. with two of the same kind of sex chromosomes, XX,
whereas boys & men are heterogametic, i.e. with both X and Y chromosomes, typically XY but very occasionally XYY or XXY

Biology trumps feelings, because no feelings - or statements by MPs, or surgery, cosmetics, clothes etc - can change chromosones

Datun · 11/10/2018 19:28

Caligula. You keep saying that Danielle Muscato is legally a woman. I don't think they can have a GRC, because they're American.

Can you link to where they're legally a woman? I'm not disputing it, I just can't find it.

Datun · 11/10/2018 19:29

Possibly Canadian

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 19:29

Do you know what? You wonder why you hardly ever hear any dissenting voices in there? The bingos of we see you etc.
I'M shaking at the shit chucked, and I'm pretty strong. Anyone feeling more mentally not strong or having a down day?
Fuck em attitude and call them all blokes for not agreeing with you. Whatever.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/10/2018 19:30

To be kind, most of us agree that a transwoman with a GRC can enter single sex spaces for women
We don't accept that they have changed sex, but they are a tiny number and they normally just want to fit in, without bother

Datun · 11/10/2018 19:31

VerbeenaBeeks

You're not straightforward and you don't answer questions. Rather you can't answer them because it's pointless. But you carry on disputing what people are saying and disagreeing with them.

It's incredibly frustrating.

Instead of ramping up like this, why don't you try engaging? It doesn't have to be a pile on. You can agree to disagree. At least put your cards on the table.

Is it the legal aspect of being a woman that you think constitutes a woman?

Lazypoolday · 11/10/2018 19:31

Fine, don't then. it was a genuine mix up should have known how these threads go. As I said, should have known better than to apologise and clarify, these threads are beyond that.

You said you googled pips bunce and found that info. At that point Muscato hadn't even been mentioned so it was a bit of coincidence you actually typed that name in instead right? Anyway, can you supply the link you found Moscato not being able to take hormones due to a medical condition?

CosmicCanary · 11/10/2018 19:32

Fine, don't then. it was a genuine mix up should have known how these threads go

What ways that...not yours because you were pulled up on your bullshit?

Elephantinacravat · 11/10/2018 19:33

To be kind, most of us agree that a transwoman with a GRC can enter single sex spaces for women
We don't accept that they have changed sex, but they are a tiny number and they normally just want to fit in, without bother

Exactly.

The problem that most of us have is that if self ID comes in, then literally anyone can legally change sex with no gatekeeping, no checks and balances and obviously the number of people with a GRC will go up massively.

PlantsArePeopleToo · 11/10/2018 19:34

Are you suggesting that trans women who don't have a GRC are not women Verbeena? That's a very slippery slope you're heading down there and borderline transphobic I'd say.

Datun · 11/10/2018 19:35

BigChocFrenzy

For me, there are two things going on here. What should legally constitute womanhood.

And the concept of woman even being something that can be legally constituted.

I have far more sympathy with people who agree that a woman is an adult human female, but there could be a concession for the 5000. I disagree personally, but I can understand the idea of a compromise.

I don't have to agree with it, and I can say why don't, though.

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