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To think the tide is turning with transgenderism

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abacucat · 11/10/2018 10:05

There have been a flood of articles in mainstream newspapers criticising transgenderism and putting forward the feminist perspective. It is not long ago that no mainstream newspaper would carry these articles. The tide seems to be turning.

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PlantsArePeopleToo · 11/10/2018 18:42

Uh, yes It's about self ID. That's how Danielle was able to take up space in a female shelter despite taking no steps to transition.

CaligulaBlushed · 11/10/2018 18:42

As I said, I have no problem with MTF trans people who respect women

So nice men get to be women? Or you don't mind sharing a changing room with a trans woman so long as they're discreet and respectful? Or does "i have no problem with.. " actually mean nothing at all, because you don't think trans women can ever be women and you never want one in the next toilet cubicle to you?

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 18:42

You're clearly never going to be happy with any answer that says women are only women if they have all the necessary bits.
You (collective you) want to exclude transwomen. Others don't.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 18:44

Or does "i have no problem with.. " actually mean nothing at all, because you don't think trans women can ever be women?

From what I've seen on here I'm going with this.

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 18:44

So nice men get to be women? Or you don't mind sharing a changing room with a trans woman so long as they're discreet and respectful? Or does "i have no problem with.. " actually mean nothing at all, because you don't think trans women can ever be women and you never want one in the next toilet cubicle to you?

No, it's that I don't consider they respect women if they barge into our spaces against our will. HTH

PlantsArePeopleToo · 11/10/2018 18:44

Exclude them from where?

PlantsArePeopleToo · 11/10/2018 18:45

Well trans women can't be women. They can be trans women though.

PlantsArePeopleToo · 11/10/2018 18:46

So in what way is Danielle Muscato a woman?

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 18:46

Exclude them from where?

From life. As in their very existence, not accepting that they're ever women.

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 18:46

So no. I don't want to share female spaces with nice male people either thanks. My dad, my brother, my male colleagues, Miranda Yardley. Luckily none of them would expect me to.

CaligulaBlushed · 11/10/2018 18:47

No, it's that I don't consider they respect women if they barge into our spaces against our will.

Sounds like you think simply being transgender is disrespectful to women and that means it's okay for you to "have a problem" with trans people.

But you're not a transphobe cos you know, like, two trans women who let you call them "he" and use the men's bathrooms...

BalthazarImpresario · 11/10/2018 18:48

@plantsarepeopletoo

There are an increasing number of threads on here where the undertone is that women don't want trans women who still have male genetalia in female spaces.

In regards to encountering violence in the male toilets this has come from her mouth, so her actual experience (definitely not a man hater)

My comment regarding the toilets is probably ploddy but in response to other comment ts on trans threads where women again say they don't want men (any men not just trans women here) in their spaces,(on previous threads posters stated they wouldn't use the pools if they were mixed) I was just giving my experience of not being worried about it when I use them, so no real need to check my logic maybe just spell out what I'm referencing with the sections in my post

Datun · 11/10/2018 18:49

VerbeenaBeeks

What are you trying to say? That decent transwomen should be given access to women's spaces? Because the decent tw aren't a threat?

How would that actually work, in real life?

How do you identify someone on the basis of them being decent?

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 18:49

No, I don't think being transgender is disrespectful to women. I think that male people invading women's spaces is disrespectful to women. It's really quite simple, unless you're quite hard of thinking.

PlantsArePeopleToo · 11/10/2018 18:49

So are you just going to ignore the question again because you can't answer it? Just like how you continually danced around the other question asking for examples of transphobia?

(Well one person did answer that but the only real instance of transphobia had been zapped pretty sharpish at the time. The other examples of 'transphobia' were nothing more than word twisting, misunderstanding and taking things out of context.)

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 18:50

Sounds like you think simply being transgender is disrespectful to women and that means it's okay for you to "have a problem" with trans people. But you're not a transphobe cos you know, like, two trans women who let you call them "he" and use the men's bathrooms...

Definitely coming across that way! Kind of like the "I can't be racist as some of my bessies are black!" type argument!
Wow.

Elephantinacravat · 11/10/2018 18:51

From life. As in their very existence, not accepting that they're ever women.

How does not believing the lie that transwomen are women excluding them from life? Are we redefining the word 'exist' now as well?

CaligulaBlushed · 11/10/2018 18:51

"Hard of thinking" - dabbing it now!

Just waiting on "no critical thinking" and it's a full house.

noeffingidea · 11/10/2018 18:52

From life. As in their very existence, not accepting that they're ever women
Transwomen still exist whether we believe they're women or not. Quite a few of us have just expressed the opinion that Danielle Muscato is in fact male, but he continues to exist. He didn't disappear into a puff of smoke, and that is true for every other TW.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 18:52

*So are you just going to ignore the question again because you can't answer it? Just like how you continually danced around the other question asking for examples of transphobia?

There is no POINT pointing it out to people who can't see! There's been posts deleted on this thread but apparently there's none on here. Hmm

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 18:53

(Well one person did answer that but the only real instance of transphobia had been zapped pretty sharpish at the time

Only real instance? There's a fair few since then. The deletion messages of ones MNHQ have caught show that.

PlantsArePeopleToo · 11/10/2018 18:54

balth The not wanting trans women with male genitalia in their space is a direct response to radical trans activism. Prior to this a lot of these people wouldn't have cared. I certainly wouldn't have. I would feel a bit more wary these days tbh.

Sorry your friend has had a hard time but how exactly will mixed sex changing rooms and toilets protect her? That just means she'll be back in the same space as the violent men who assaulted her. That's the part where you need to check your logic.

Elephantinacravat · 11/10/2018 18:54

Just to say Verbeena won't answer any of your questions because she has no coherent argume.......oh wait sorry what was the official line? Ah yes, there is 'no point'.

CaligulaBlushed · 11/10/2018 18:54

Definitely coming across that way! Kind of like the "I can't be racist as some of my bessies are black!" type argument!

Yep. Someone needs to point out that just because you know a trans person you like doesn't mean you're not a transphobe. If you have a general negative perception of trans people, particularly if the only trans people you DO like are not exactly "typical", you might want to ask yourself if you have a problem.

Lazypoolday · 11/10/2018 18:55

From life. As in their very existence, not accepting that they're ever women.

Who is denying that trans women exist or excluding them from life whatever the fuck that means? Please quote these posts

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