To think the tide is turning with transgenderism

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There have been a flood of articles in mainstream newspapers criticising transgenderism and putting forward the feminist perspective. It is not long ago that no mainstream newspaper would carry these articles. The tide seems to be turning.

I appreciate that women in prison and mental hospitals can be hard to identify with so Fair Play asked women who run and use domestic violence services how the loss of single sex services will affect them, and interestingly they mention the 'scaremongering' claim used earlier;

fairplayforwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/FPFW_report_19SEPT2018.pdf

Maybe posters will find this easier to identify with than a rapist on a women only psychiatric ward?

I doubt it. They don't care about other women.

Elephant, you give your definition and then people can say what they agree or disagree with, thats probably a good start here.

Sure.

I think the line is incredibly difficult to draw. Where do you draw the line? Surgery? Hormones? Wearing clothes normally associated with women? The umbrella of 'trans' has opened further and further to include even people like Pips Bunce who wears a dress to work a couple of times a week, and who has won awards for females in Business.

The reason I was asking Verbeena the question is because she believes that anyone who doesn't believe that transwomen are women is transphobic, but she doesn't accept self id. I believe that the fact that the line is so hard to draw is in itself what tells us that transwomen are not women.

I know I have wasted my time writing all that because Verbeena won't engage, but for the benefit of anyone else interested in the debate.....

I doubt it. They don't care about other women

No, you're right. All women should be lined up against a wall and slapped around the face with a wet fish.

but if you don't "answer right" the pile ons or shout downs start.

You are confusing 'not answering right' with 'being completely unable to form any kind of coherent argument'.

You are confusing 'not answering right' with 'being completely unable to form any kind of coherent argument'.

Indeed. Let's hear the arguments.

I googled Pips Bunce after hearing all the outrage towards on here.
If you frequent the FWR boards and don't look any further, you'd probably be under the impression that she's trolling and trying to wind up women by taking the piss "just wearing a dress a few days a week and the others being a man."
From all I read I gleaned that she is a transwoman but can't take hormones etc due to a medical reason,so is transitioning slowly and in the meantime obviously doesn't "pass" very well as is still very male looking.
If that's all true, makes the FWR look even pettier and nastier the amount of crap thrown when her name comes up.

Thats a good example of confirmation bias.

It's obvious that you've only read the first few pages as if you'd actually read it you'd see that people are saying that they have tried engaging in the past,but have come to the realisation that there is literally no point in doing so if you're willing to accept transwomen

If there's no point then why did you even bother to demand stats from people and claim they were made up, only to ignore them when they were posted and not address them at all? No deviation from your script allowed eh?

No one on fwr is anti trans. Wanting women and girls to keep the rights and protections they won is not anti trans.

You are confusing 'not answering right' with 'being completely unable to form any kind of coherent argument'

Yet AGAIN, I answered on the other threads questions, they're clearly not the right answers though, there is no point going through it all again.
Unless someone agrees that you're only ever a woman if you have boobs and a front bum, it's pointless as you don't want to hear anything else.

If you frequent real life you'd be of the opinion that Philip/Pips Bunce is taking the piss. Look at the comments on newspapers and twitter etc.

Philip/Pips is genderfluid by the way and fully happy in his male role on certain days. Misgendering!

From all I read I gleaned that she is a transwoman but can't take hormones etc due to a medical reason,so is transitioning slowly and in the meantime obviously doesn't "pass" very well as is still very male looking

Is that right? Do you have a link for that?

From what I have gleaned, Pips is 'gender fluid' and wears dresses some days and suits others.

www.fnlondon.com/articles/mistranslated-i-split-my-time-as-pippa-and-philip-20171002

If Pips was serious about transitioning, but can't take hormones, wouldn't they at least full time wear 'female' clothing?

And in any case, Pips won 'female in Business awards' whilst still only wearing dresses to work on some days. Female. In. Business.

Verbeena I had a similar experience.

I looked up Danielle Muscato whose picture is often used as a "so do you think THIS is a woman?" trump card.

Turns out from glancing over her social media she's a pretty decent person, active and outspoken on common feminist issues with a really pro-woman stance.

You'd have thought she was a raging pervert.

If there's no point then why did you even bother to demand stats from people and claim they were made up

Saying people are more likely to be attacked etc and not a link is scaremongering. Whether you want to see that or not.

only to ignore them when they were posted and not address them at all
Did you see the bit where I said just seen that you posted the stats, thanks? Or did you miss that bit?

Turns out from glancing over her social media she's a pretty decent person, active and outspoken on common feminist issues with a really pro-woman stance.

LOL.

Telling feminists to "suck my dick" on international women's day. Taking up a space in a women's shelter. Such a deeply pro-woman stance.

Did you see the bit where I said just seen that you posted the stats, thanks? Or did you miss that bit?

Yes I saw that bit, but I didn't see you address what the link actually said and what you thought about the fact that women are more at risk of assaults in unisex spaces. Maybe I missed that post?

Isn't suck my dick, now a recognised liberal feminist slogan?

Many TRAs virtue signal about social justice issues including feminist ones. It's rather undermined by their rampant misogyny.

From all I read I gleaned that she is a transwoman but can't take hormones etc due to a medical reason,

What medical reasons would cause you to need to be called Pippa on some days and Philip on other days, to wear a dress on some days and a suit on others, to require everyone to call you 'he/him' on some days and 'she/her' on other days?

You do also realise that if you think factors like identifying as a woman full-time rather than part-time, wanting to physically transition or take hormones etc has any impact on whether you are a real trans person or a real woman, then you are a still a horrific transphobe, according to the transactivists?

Cross dressers are now classed as 'trans' and are, apparently, just as much valid women and entitled to come into our communal changing rooms, hostel dorms etc as those of us who, erm, are women.

This Danielle Muscato? Very decent.

twitter.com/daniellemuscato/status/839611526998818817?lang=en

Why do people not question why Feminists who have been supportive of LGB rights and an ally for fucking years have decided to become bigoted and a hate group?

Doesn't really make sense.

I don't see why it's bigoted for women not to want to share there safe spaces with biological men. I was put in an unsafe position with a biological male and it was just luck I wasn't physically hurt and/or raped. As it happens my scars are purely mental.

It has negatively affected me, I live in fear of ending up back in hospital. I desperately need hernia surgery, I'm in pain and due to the nausea and sickness it's causing I've lost that much weight my periods have stopped. I could of had surgery 6 month back but I backed out my GP says I need counselling to deal with this.

Bad things can and have happened with men in our safe spaces. I honestly don't know how many more women are going to have similar story's to mine before some people accept the risk these male bodied people put us at.

Panda

So Danielle Muscato is actually a terrible person? I'm happy to believe it, but you'll have to do better than saying "suck my dick" on one occasion (although that's pretty shitty) or going to a women's shelter, presumably for the same reason other women do.