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To think the tide is turning with transgenderism

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abacucat · 11/10/2018 10:05

There have been a flood of articles in mainstream newspapers criticising transgenderism and putting forward the feminist perspective. It is not long ago that no mainstream newspaper would carry these articles. The tide seems to be turning.

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Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 17:45

Yes it is. 7 trans people murdered in the last decade (there are often 9 quoted but when you look one died of suicide and one accidental death). 12 people were murdered by trans people.

Oh and in case it wasn't clear, I mean MTF trans people.

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 17:47

The rest of us don't know what one of your typical "anti trans" posts looks like.

You'd need to be pretty obtuse not to grasp that we don't call ourselves "anti trans". That's quite clearly a transactivist term. Do pay more attention.

PlasticAlternative · 11/10/2018 17:49

Back to the OPs question.
There have been some more questioning articles and features in tv programmes recently which is good but I think it is too little too late.
I also think the whole subject actually needs a huge thorough investigation and up to date laws and guidelines developed.
Posie Parker is still having problems getting the dictionary definition of woman accepted in public which is a terrifying indication of how things stand.

Hyppolyta · 11/10/2018 17:50

Caligula yep, compare it to Religion if you want.

Should someone with visible swastika tattoos be given the legal right to enter a synagogue?

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 17:51

I'm encouraged to see more people, mainly women still, speaking out as the more people do the more people feel that they can.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 17:52

No you (collective you) don't go round calling yourself it, like a label or something, but it''s blatantly clear you are.
Always thankful to the one poster that outed themselves saying they had a problem with them all (and I quote) on a previous thread that made me think WTF? and slowly back away.
But apparently there's no transphobia on the board. Confused
Shitty attitudes like that are why people turn away from FWR.
In the meantime you're going to get no discussion from the "other side" as it's clear you don't want any.
Do pay attention? Nice. Not patronising or belittling at all to put your point across.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 17:54

Some Women are against self ID. Get over it

Has anybody said they're not against self ID?

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 17:54

It's not as simple as you make it sound.

Why do you think you need to make a false comparison to make your case? Why isn't your argument compelling on its own merits? This is not just about safety. It's about women's rights to privacy and dignity and our rights to participate fully in public life and to feel comfortable.

Dismissing this isn't going to wash.

Hyppolyta · 11/10/2018 17:55

Its intresting you think women should have to behave in a certain way to be listened too, verbeena.

Were talking about womens legal rights and trying to stop men taking them.

Why on earth do you think we would be nice when we are under attack?

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 17:55

I don't think I've ever seen someone say they're absolutely fine with self id.

Elephantinacravat · 11/10/2018 17:56

Which of the religions is committing the vast majority of terrorism?

Do you really not think that the rest of us are entitled to safe spaces away from that religion to reduce their risk of being harmed, given what we know about extremist violence? Do you really think that is 'discrimination?'

Again, if you look at which of the sex classes is committing the vast majority of that terrorism, you will see a neat little pattern.

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 17:56

Always thankful to the one poster that outed themselves saying they had a problem with them all (and I quote) on a previous thread that made me think WTF? and slowly back away.

You have been informed many times that not believing males can ever be women is not the same as "having a problem" with all trans people. I have no problem with MTF trans people who respect women.

ADastardlyThing · 11/10/2018 17:57

"The rest of us don't know what one of your typical "anti trans" posts looks like."

Surely if you don't know what a "anti trans" post is you can't really say you've ever read a fwr thread?

Elephantinacravat · 11/10/2018 17:58

I don't think I've ever seen someone say they're absolutely fine with self id.

So again, for those at the back, what is the difference between a transwoman and a self IDer? Where is the line? What are the criteria? I'm trying to engage with you, I'm asking questions that I am looking for answers to.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 17:58

You have been informed many times that not believing males can ever be women is not the same as "having a problem" with all trans people

That's not what I meant. But I think you know that really.

StormTreader · 11/10/2018 18:01

"The rest of us don't know what one of your typical "anti trans" posts looks like.

You'd need to be pretty obtuse not to grasp that we don't call ourselves "anti trans". That's quite clearly a transactivist term. Do pay more attention."

I said "anti-trans" as a direct quote from YOUR post. Hence, its your phrase. DO keep up, dearie.

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 18:02

It's exactly what you meant on the other thread Verbeena, and you said so several times. But you're deeply goady, and I'm not engaging with you any more.

Except that you never did manage to define the material difference between a MTF and a self IDing man.

StormTreader · 11/10/2018 18:03

"So again, for those at the back, what is the difference between a transwoman and a self IDer? "

Elephant, you give your definition and then people can say what they agree or disagree with, thats probably a good start here.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 18:04

Elephant, you give your definition and then people can say what they agree or disagree with, thats probably a good start here

Yep, because whatever we say will be a ha gotcha moment or a but no they're not women or whatever.
Better off going first as you say.

UpstartCrow · 11/10/2018 18:04

Jean Hatchet asked women on Twitter for their experiences of harassment by men in women’s toilets. Maybe posters will find this easier to identify with than a rapist on a women only psychiatric ward?

jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2018/10/a-gentleman-in-ladies.html?m=1

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 18:06

I'M deeply goady? Dear God, the irony. I actually tried discussing when asked questions on other threads, but if you don't "answer right" the pile ons or shout downs start.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 18:06

and I'm not engaging with you any more

Thank fuck.

Lazypoolday · 11/10/2018 18:07

Ok so basically, all verbeena et Al have is the "you're all bigots and mean so shut up" line? Its so typical.

Now, I've only read the past few pages of this thread so forgive me if they have actually addressed any of the points and stats or answered any questions posed to them.

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 18:07

I said "anti-trans" as a direct quote from YOUR post. Hence, its your phrase. DO keep up, dearie.

I was quoting the deleted post, dearie. YOU need to keep up. But that's typical of you and your anti feminist friends.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 18:09

Now, I've only read the past few pages of this thread so forgive me if they have actually addressed any of the points and stats or answered any questions posed to them.

It's obvious that you've only read the first few pages as if you'd actually read it you'd see that people are saying that they have tried engaging in the past,but have come to the realisation that there is literally no point in doing so if you're willing to accept transwomen.
As some aren't. So it's going to go round in circles.