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To think the tide is turning with transgenderism

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abacucat · 11/10/2018 10:05

There have been a flood of articles in mainstream newspapers criticising transgenderism and putting forward the feminist perspective. It is not long ago that no mainstream newspaper would carry these articles. The tide seems to be turning.

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CaligulaBlushed · 11/10/2018 17:23

Darvo! Haven't seen that one for a while, dabbing it off my card.

Elephantinacravat · 11/10/2018 17:23

If there was an entire board that was 90% full of posts saying things like "I'm not saying all ginger people are bad but I certainly don't want them around my children!" "I know she dies her hair NOW but I'll never describe her as blonde - as far as I'm concerned, a ginger is always ginger, its basic biology!"

Ginger people? You are using ginger people as an analogy here? Really?

I don't remember seeing the statistics showing that ginger people commit crimes against non ginger people at an incredibly high rate. I have seen statistics showing that men commit crimes against women at an incredibly high rate.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/10/2018 17:25

storm

I have honestly said it eleventy billion times on this thread...and no i am not exaggerating (just dont AS me)

That the vast vast majority of posters are not firmly entrenched in EITHER camp

Ive got so much to say but im getting so tired of this...

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/10/2018 17:25

Or bored

It might be bored, i sometimes confuse tiredness with boredom

Elephantinacravat · 11/10/2018 17:25

There's self ID concerns, I'm sure we're all on agreement with that, but I'm never OK with out and out hostility to all transwomen just because of the fact they're trans and therefore not women to some.

What is the difference between a self IDer and a transwoman in your book? Where is the line between transwoman and self IDer?

I know I have asked you this question on another thread and not got an answer by the way.

HandlebarTash81 · 11/10/2018 17:26

Since when have ginger people been responsible for well over 90% of sexual violence?

CaligulaBlushed · 11/10/2018 17:27

Sorry verbeena, looks like you were on the receiving end of another one on my bingo card; attacking/belittling/making fun of your personal posting style.

I've seen it before, it's meant to undermine your self-esteem on a personal level. But if they can't attack the posts they go after the poster.

I like your posts.

My card's nearly all full up.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 11/10/2018 17:29

Yes Caligula, people are bringing up the same concerns again and again because they are not being addressed. Good that you have them all noted down on your card though. Maybe you could think what could be done about them. Or are you a #nodebate type?

CaligulaBlushed · 11/10/2018 17:30

I have seen statistics showing that men commit crimes against women at an incredibly high rate.

Have you seen stats showing a far greater rate of violent crime among London's Black population? Perhaps they should have to use different buses.

StormTreader · 11/10/2018 17:30

"It might be bored, i sometimes confuse tiredness with boredom"

Yup, me too.

CaligulaBlushed · 11/10/2018 17:31

whatsthe if people's concerns are verbeena's posting style then they really need to get out more.

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 17:31

Not factually accurate or supported by statistics.

Yes it is. 7 trans people murdered in the last decade (there are often 9 quoted but when you look one died of suicide and one accidental death). 12 people were murdered by trans people.

transcrimeuk.com/2017/11/16/trans-homicides-in-the-uk-a-closer-look-at-the-numbers/

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 17:32

Sorry verbeena, looks like you were on the receiving end of another one on my bingo card; attacking/belittling/making fun of your personal posting style.I've seen it before, it's meant to undermine your self-esteem on a personal level
Yep, tick it off, seen it before on other obsessive topic threads too. Smile Used to it.

I like your posts. My card's nearly all full up
Ta! Think mine is too. Have we had an MRA or you're a man in disguise yet?

Elephantinacravat · 11/10/2018 17:33

Have you seen stats showing a far greater rate of violent crime among London's Black population?

Which of the sexes is committing the vast majority of that crime?

Do you really not think that women are entitled to safe spaces away from men to reduce their risk of being harmed, given what we know about male violence? Do you really think that is 'discrimination?'

Elephantinacravat · 11/10/2018 17:35

if people's concerns are verbeena's posting style then they really need to get out more.

Lol at 'posting style'. You mean refusing to come up with a single coherent argument or answer any questions when they are posed?

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 17:36

Plants, it read horribly. Sarcasm doesn't always convey in written tone. Not everyone knows who posts what.

Oh come off it. Women on FWR don't call gender critical "anti trans". It wasn't even vaguely like a real GC post.

Lazypoolday · 11/10/2018 17:36

So no comment on the articles/stats you requested verbeena?

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 11/10/2018 17:38

I'm not even sure which post is meant to be belittling.

StormTreader · 11/10/2018 17:38

You're not on FWR, you may be surprised to hear. The rest of us don't know what one of your typical "anti trans" posts looks like. Interesting that they are so common that they have a recognised GC style though, since they apparently don't exist.

Hyppolyta · 11/10/2018 17:39

Can any of the pro self ID posters explain where the see the line between trans inclusion and safeguarding?

Imo, inclusion means allowing any person to live/ dress/ act according to the gender stereotypes they choose.

While still keeping some spaces sex (bio sex, not gender) segregated to safeguard females from male violence.

Ive been told repeatedly that opinion is transphobic but no one yet has explained why they see safeguarding as phobic, or why it should be removed.

Anyone care to elaborate?

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 17:40

noticed the last one before closing down and getting to 40 pages ended up with one of them having the last words by cereal talking and then by shouting WEETABIX lol, so yes, perfectly acceptable to dab off your card.

LOL I bet it burned that she got the last word in that ridiculous thread Grin

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 17:41

Lol at 'posting style'. You mean refusing to come up with a single coherent argument or answer any questions when they are posed?

At the risk of sounding like a stuck record, there literally is no POINT discussing with you. Which is why I'm not anymore. Which is presumably why people hide the boards and disengage.
If people don't agree with you when you say they're not women, you pile on and tell them why they're wrong or belittle them.

Chosenone · 11/10/2018 17:41

Some Women are against self ID. Get over it.

CaligulaBlushed · 11/10/2018 17:42

Which of the religions is committing the vast majority of terrorism?

Do you really not think that the rest of us are entitled to safe spaces away from that religion to reduce their risk of being harmed, given what we know about extremist violence? Do you really think that is 'discrimination?'*

It's not as simple as you make it sound. The vast majority of the risk to women from men is from their intimate partners in their own homes. That is not a justification for making trans women use the loo they don't believe they belong in.

VerbeenaBeeks · 11/10/2018 17:43

Will agree with you only on that one point, yes it was an absolutely ridiculous thread.

You're not on FWR, you may be surprised to hear

I think they forget Grin funny how once these threads are out on the main boards they're much more tolerant and less how shall we put this - I'll go politely- intolerant.

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