To encourage Ocado shoppers to read this

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If you are an Ocado customer, you should be aware that they consider defining ‘woman’ as an adult human female to be hate speech and not ‘in line with their values’.

They threatened to pull advertising from Primesite unless Primesite took down a billboard with the OED definition of woman on it.

They have received hundreds of complaints from women since, but have refused to apologise.

Just in case you might want to consider not giving your money to a company who consider the word woman to not be in line with their values.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3376466-ocado-boycott-after-support-of-primesight-action

And if you do decide to boycott, tell them why.

Thanks for highlighting. We will not shop anywhere that supports such misogyny.

'All gay men should be sterilised'. I agree with you, this is homophobic.

Do you agree with me that complaining about a poster with the dictionary definition of a woman, and its subsequent removal, are misogynist?

Early how do you feel about the fact that many gender non-conforming children, who would actually turn out to be gay, are being given medication that renders them sterile because that’s what trans ideology says you must do - puberty blockers followed by cross sex hormones will almost certainly make you sterile.

That almost reads like sterilisation of gay people, doesn’t it? Do you therefore think that some trans ideology is homophobic?

But the point is this. I don’t have to agree with everything Posie says or does. I agree with her on this and I support her uncompromising stance on trans ideology, because being nice isn’t getting women anywhere other than trampled on by misogynists. She put this poster up where the Labour Party conference was being held to draw attention to the fact that Labour do not appear to know, or care, what a woman is. She couldn’t have got more publicity for it if she tried, despite the endless attempts to silence her and other GC women. And the vast majority of people agree that tearing down a poster with the dictionary definition of woman on it, because it excludes all male people,is a nonsense.

Woman = adult human female. No male person can ever be a woman.

Shoving my point was that posie said the same, that all trans people should be sterilised, but she is being defended as being not transphobic.

The poster was taken down as she’s behind the organisation that erected it. They have made it clear they didn’t take it down because of what it said, but the people behind it.

The poster was taken down as she’s behind the organisation that erected it. They have made it clear they didn’t take it down because of what it said, but the people behind

Do all advertisers have to pass this screening exercise? Or just women?

Molokonono* I’m assuming if isis wanted to erect a poster giving the definition of Islam, pretty much everyone would disagree too, despite the words themselves being completely harmless and non-offensive. So no, I wouldn’t say just woman, but extremists.

So you are saying Posie Parker is just like ISIS?

Because she has concerns about women and girls?

No I’m saying she’s an extremist. In my opinion, Anyone that has extreme views such as to sterilise a huge bunch of people because she doesn’t agree with their existence should not have a platform.

I understood your point perfectly well, Earlywalker.

My point is that you appear to think that if you get Posie in some kind of gotcha, that this invalidates everybody's concerns about self-id.

The two are not related. I have no idea if you are correct about Posie or not, I am not aware of the context of the quote, and have only recently become aware of her. However, Posie's actions, be they good or bad, do not mean that the threat from self-id does not exist. Posie's actions do not excuse the likes of Dr Harrop and the other misogynistic TRAs, and give them a free pass.

That poster was an assault on the rights of women. It doesn't matter who put it up, it is fucking outrageous that it was taken down.

I meant taking that poster down was an assault on the rights of women.

StaySafe

I buy my groceries from Ocado, not my political and social beliefs. It is irrelevant to me what a vendor of baked beans and furniture polish thinks about trans issues.

Fascinated by the idea that baked beans and furniture polish comprise the bulk of women's shopping. 😜 🤣🤣🤣

No I’m saying she’s an extremist. In my opinion, Anyone that has extreme views such as to sterilise a huge bunch of people because she doesn’t agree with their existence should not have a platform

So can you show us your analysis on every other billboard in the uk over the last year just to prove that you are holding all people with a platform in exactly the same high standards are you are demanding here?

As otherwise it looks like you are literally singling one woman out. And it just happens to be a woman whose poster states the definition of women. Which looks like you are part of the problem that PP is demonstrating against.

What gives you the divine right to demand who is and isn't allowed a platform?

So you think Posie should not have 'a platform' because you deem her to be an extremist? And that the judges of whether she be 'allowed' expression of her views should be a trainee GP TRA, and a poster company?

Do you not, on reflection, find this standpoint pretty totalitarian?

And do you think that TRAs who try to bully lesbians into having sex with intact males are extremists too? Should their posters, twitter accounts etc be censored also?

I have concerns about self ID and the erasure of gender non-conformity but I also have concerns about the motivations of some people behind the gender critical movement. This seems a deliberately inflammatory action by someone with anti-trans views (rather than just pro-women), so while I agree with the content of the poster I don't object to it being taken down.

I buy my groceries from Ocado, not my political and social beliefs. It is irrelevant to me what a vendor of baked beans and furniture polish thinks about trans issues

I didn’t know Ocado sold political and social beliefs. Are they under “household” or “health and beauty”?

Early you have just equated Posie Parker to ISIS. Jesus fucking Christ. Well, I guess there’s no low TRAs and their supporters won’t stoop too.

Woman = adult human female.

The fact you’re saying I have a problem because she’s a woman is ridiculous and I feel a lot of you are actually gaslighting.

I have said several times I disagree with self ID, but I do believe that transgender people should be free to live their life in peace without hate groups trying to alienate them.

I am a feminist, as I said upthread I do a lot of feminist work and campaigning but I do not agree with this torrent of hate for anyone transgender.

If this debate was about any other company with extremist views, even if they were views I personally agreed with, I would have the same stand point.

No it’s not my right to say what should stand and what shouldn’t but to boycott a shop with thousands of WOMEN that are employed by them purely because they did not want to be associated with extremist views, is in my opinion ridiculous and ill thought out.

River if you read it in context, I used isis as an example of an extremist group that is men as people seem to assume it’s women I have an issue with.

FFS!!

The WHOLE POINT is that the dictionary definition of 'woman' is NOT AN EXTEMIST VIEW.

but to boycott a shop with thousands of WOMEN that are employed by them

How do they know they have women employed by them, if the term Woman doesn't mean Adult Human Female?

FFS the WHOLE POINT is that they didn’t remove the billboard because of the DICTIONARY DEFINITION on it, they removed it because of the EXTREMIST group behind it.

Only unextreme women are allowed to call themselves women eh?

I dont think people do hate transsexuals (although violence comes from males to that community).

What people hate is transvestites telling women to shut up and repeat 'trans women are women - you are a cis woman'.

These are a small group of vocal and highly organised 'trans women' who don't have any surgical or medical intervention, who tell children that they can change sex like a pair of socks, tell kids that they are in the wrong body of they don't like pink, who demand access to women spaces (even rape crisis units), and who say they can be female one day and male the next. I've seen a poster in twitter who says that he thinks that he is a woman and gives his pupils pro trans comics that he creates - of course directly to the kids and Shhhhhhh don't tell mum and dad. Nonsense maybe but sinister nonetheless.

It's not a sexual think it's a political thing. Women are on the sticky end as usual.

Account closed. Will shop online with Sainsbury's from now on.

Thank you, OP, for raising this.

Me and Posie disagree on a few things, but here she has highlighted, once and for all and in plain fucking view, that WOMAN is now hate speech.

100 years on from us winning the vote, after all the hard, back-breaking work braver women than me put in for us to have any semblance of equality, and the word woman is OFFENSIVE.

Fuck this.