To encourage Ocado shoppers to read this

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If you are an Ocado customer, you should be aware that they consider defining ‘woman’ as an adult human female to be hate speech and not ‘in line with their values’.

They threatened to pull advertising from Primesite unless Primesite took down a billboard with the OED definition of woman on it.

They have received hundreds of complaints from women since, but have refused to apologise.

Just in case you might want to consider not giving your money to a company who consider the word woman to not be in line with their values.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3376466-ocado-boycott-after-support-of-primesight-action

And if you do decide to boycott, tell them why.

OP you did come into AIBU to ask if yabu. Maybe don't be so snippy with people who say yes, yabu. This is not FWR, the amazing self-cleaning echo chamber of GC posters.

Oh, and yabu, and you have misrepresented the situation right from your opening post to suit your agenda. That might fly in FWR but not so much here.

Posie Parker proudly and openly holds notoriously transphobic views. The poster people took it down once they saw the motives behind the dog-whistle transphobia of the poster and the organisation behind it with her at the helm.

These attacks on Ocado are ridiculous flouncing. Their part in this has been to say they will continue to do business with the poster company. No great sweeping misogyny, no erasure of women etc etc.

Those defending Posie seem blind to her extreme and, to many, abhorrent views, possibly because they agree with them. I have seen her on FWR in action long before she was banned here, along with other, now thankfully also banned, posters.

If you choose to dress up your anti trans agenda as pro women and children, a defence of free speech, or sing your own praises as the new suffragettes you go right ahead, but do stop trying to get everyone here to pat you on the head for it.

Yes, I do think it is highly disingenuous to even remotely suggest that the poster should be considered in isolation. It was deliberately provocative, because of the wider context.

I'll be sticking with Ocado (I've just been filling my trolley)

Their part in this has been to say they will continue to do business with the poster company.

They said they would continue to work with the company because they removed the poster ie they wouldn’t have it the poster had been left to stand.

I’m not defending Posie.
I’m defending women, and their right to exist as a sex.

Wonga.

Oh God. I love Ocado, but this is awful.

I’ll defend Posie.

She is an articulate woman with a range of views on a range of subjects. She airs those views. She is entitled to do so. And everyone else is entitled to react as they like.

What is impressive is that she DOES something. She is out there, being judged, making her voice heard, being brave, knowing that people will pounce on her. And she still keeps going.

Sorry Wonga, I didn’t read past your sentence about Posie being transphobic..... I think you maybe need to read up on this a bit more and learn what transphobic actually means.

Posie is pro-women. That does not make her transphobic. There is a difference.

wonga I’m with you, you put it better than I could!

Posie not transphobic? She said trans people should be sterilised ffs. And you all say we’re the ones with our heads in the sand.

Posie has explained her comment about trans men being sterilised which is repeatedly and deliberately taken out of context.

Posie has done more for women’s rights than any of the dim handmaidens rushing to spend money with an openly misogynistic organisation ever have.

Surely trans people are sterilising themselves? Or am I confused. Again.

Yes that’s often the case Ursula. However you do get some women who identify as male who have babies and claim to be pregnant men.

There’s one particularly astonishingly self centred one who is currently fighting to have herself named as her baby’s father on the baby’s birth certificate.

I hope that her baby’s right to not have a lie recorded on their birth certificate is upheld.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/09/19/trans-man-denied-child-benefit-baby-high-court/

Would you accept an explanation if a trans activist had sent a tweet like that about ‘CIS’ woman? She’s very transphobic and actually from why I’ve seen of her quite islamaphobic too.

I do worry for the future of the trans generation.

"Posie has explained her comment about trans men being sterilised which is repeatedly and deliberately taken out of context."

Except that's not what's actually happened. She was in FWR saying the same thing more than a few times, on more than one thread. In as many words.

Saying trans people should not be parents. Not just trans men, trans people, pre or post transition. She said none of them should be parents, and that the children of trans people would be horribly damaged and should be in the care of social services.

I know because I reported the transphobic posts, which were then deleted. I doubt I was the only mn regular who saw them and reported.

You can continue denying or disbelieving her transphobia, but that won't unmake it.

The thread in FWR of pages of posters singing her praises and abusing MNHQ for their decision to permanently ban her is demonstrative of the feelings and alliances of the GC posters who dominate that board. You want her as your banner-carrier and poster-commissioning champion, that's your call, but don't expect not to be judged for that choice.

You can claim her as the public face of GC, decry her martyrdom at the hands of some conspiracy of trans power and influence, but don't kid yourself that people aren't going to notice who you're championing.

I do too Ursula. I think future generations will look back in horror at what was cheerlead as progressive by today’s liberals.

Children being lied to that they were in the wrong body. Put on experimental drugs that left them sterile and damaged. Women being attacked simply for trying to meet up peacefully. Women’s voices being silenced across the board.

Of everything I have seen coming out of the trans cult - because I do believe it’s a cult - this is the image that will stay with me. A young woman whose arm was flayed almost to the bone to create a fake penis that did not even work properly. Google phalloplasty arm scar if you can bear it.

This is what transactivism does. Tells girls who don’t confirm that they must be boys. Girls who go on to cut off their healthy breasts, have flesh flayed from their arms and thighs to try to be men. It is horrific. I will never stop speaking out against it.

The men are the loud ones. But I agree. It's all those girls.

What Posie may or may not believe is irrelevant. She was not the one who pushed an aggressively misogynistic agenda that has somehow, and ridiculously, got us to the ludicrous position we are in now, where the OED definition of 'woman' is somehow deemed to be offensive.

That is a farcical situation, which is quite frankly abusive towards women.

Those suggesting that anybody who believes in standing up for women's rights is automatically transphobic need to go back to school to learn to think critically. Black and white, knee jerk reactions that cravenly accept a right-on narrative that does women a disservice is NOT progressive.

My response to Chesterwife was deleted so I’ll rephrase

Thanks OP. I now love Ocado even more

Based on what? You can’t agree with both Ocado’s immediate and zealous enthusiasm for the removal of the poster, and their costly and time consuming apologies. If Ocado we’re in any was arsed about the TRA movement they wouldn’t have deleted the tweets and they wouldn’t be expending all this effort trying to smooth things out with their female customers. There is nothing to ‘love’ about ocado’s cack handed response whatever your view on TRA, MRA or feminist activism, or if you don’t care either way and just want a grocery delivery service with a minimally competent customer service team.

Why do gender critical people always say that if people don’t agree with them we’re automatically against woman’s rights? But god forbid we say gender critical people can be transphobic? It’s so draining. Respect and listen to other people’s opinions if you want them to listen to yours.

As wonga far more eloquently put earlier this isn’t the FWR board, don’t expect a group of people to bow down to your every word and echo the sounds of GC beliefs on every post.

If you believe that males - trans women, who are male - should be centred in feminism and should be able to access all the sex segregated spaces that women have fought so hard for, then I’m sorry, you are not in any way shape or form for women’s rights. You are a men’s rights activist.

And actually, although this isn’t the FWR board, I’d say the majority of posters on this thread are in agreement with me.

Earlywalker every single post of yours that I have read today has been overly simplistic, and very muddled/confused.

Tbh, I don't personally think that you are necessarily definitely anti-women's rights. It seems more likely to me that you hold the views you do because you don't understand the nuance of the GC posts. You haven't been able to explain why you think acceding to the demands of the TRAs will not be detrimental to women. Instead, youvhave jumped to conclusions, read meanings into posts that simply were not there, and then shouted 'transphobe' when you haven't had an answer to the questions that have been posed to you.

You might find posters are more respectful of your opinions if you articulate them properly, and engage with the actual content of the opposing posts.

Love love love the sensible, logical and intelligent Posie Parker. Ocado and other misogynists can kiss my arsehole. Will just have to hump the shopping home from M&S myself.