To ask you all to tune in to This Morning?

[RepealtheGRA]

And watch fabulous Mumsnetter PosieParker?

Supposed to be cleaning the bathroom, but just saw that discussion on the intro bit , so might put the bathroom off for a bit!

Discussing what?

Ugh India Willoughby

Oh that. Nah not my thing.

Unfortunately she isn't coming across very well which is a shame

Agree with you strowman. She seems very lacking in empathy.

Well that didn't go well!

India Willoughby is on and it's Posy you think is 'lacking in empathy'?! She must be having a bad day

I actually agree that women's issues are being oppressed and challenged by trans focus eg not being allowed to discuss the menopause and its impact on the workplace at a union meeting because the new trans chair said it was discriminatory as only cis women are affected, she had the same views on pregnancy and maternity rights (personal example) , the dangers in the prison estate, something I see daily, and erosion of women only spaces. However I do recognise the struggle of trans women and think they need support and recognition, just not to the detriment of women (I will never refer to myself as a cis woman).

I went really badly. Posie came across really badly. I didn’t know of her till that program and she really looked like a rigid, insensitive person; all shrugs and a bit sneers and “no, not really”. Not good at all.

*sneery

I hope they ask the 112 year old women what she thinks of this.

Fucks sake Eamonn! “You look like sisters”, “you obviously go to the same hairdresser”? Bit rude to Deirdre.

I am not warming to Eamonn

I see the two as completely separate group: Women are 51 % of the population and have had thousands of years of slavery, lifelong marital rape, confinement to the home, being treated as disposable 'things' for men to destroy with no consequences to contend with.

Trans women are less than one percent of the population, and are men who believe religiously that they have an immortal 'female soul' residing in their bodies. There is simply no overlap. It's like comparing chalk and cheese. Totally different set of problems and experiences.

Neither is Grace!

Love the picture of her wedding dress though. So cool.

She's not a MNetter, hasn't she been banned? Apologies if not, but if so pretty misleading OP.
Oh, and no I'm doing some tidying instead with some music on.

Eamonn thinks it's fine for a woman - you, me, your teenage daughter, my mum - to have an intimate body search done by a man who says he's a woman.

Let's not be coy. That means it's perfectly acceptable for a man, with a penis, without any surgery whatsoever or hormone treatment or anything to stick his fingers up your vagina and into your anus. All he needs to do is say "i'm a woman".

And if you object, you're a transphobe.

What? When did Eamonn say that? I tuned in towards the end of the interview, so must have missed it.

Eamonn thinks it's fine for a woman - you, me, your teenage daughter, my mum - to have an intimate body search done by a man who says he's a woman.

Yup. I wonder if he'd be happy for his own daughter to be subjected to that.

It was towards the beginning, Posie said something along the lines of "If i left here today and was arrested, a male officer with a penis would be allowed to intimately search me and I'm not OK with that".

Eamonn said along the lines of "but they identify as a woman".

YABU. Some of us have to work. (On a short break before you ask, not allowed to watch TV during breaks).

India's facial surgery is very well done.

Oh I saw that, I assumed he was trying to get her to explain it a bit more... like, yes, but not all self-identifying women will be like India etc. Low moment when India asked if she was raped, could she access a women’s rape crisis centre and Posie said no; fine, I’ve heard that a lot and I totally understand the argument. But then India said where would I go and Posie sneered a bit and said “make your own refuge”. It sounded really harsh. She could have said the same thing but phrased it a lot better than [fuck you] “make your own” when they were talking about rape.

I have to admit I didn’t know either of the interviewees beforehand, so maybe if I did, I’d feel differently.

Piper = yeah, but if they're a transwoman, Eammon's right if he said that. As in they're not a male officer, they're a transperson.
To keep insisting transwomen are men is transphobic whether you like that fact are not.