To think that if Girl Guides is for girls, it should allow all girls to be members?

[OrchidInTheSun]

Girl guides have confirmed that if a girl identifies as a boy, they'll kick them out.

So they are no longer a single sex organisation, they are a single gender one.

Mad

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ban-for-girl-guides-who-identify-as-boys-dlj8mjk23

You don’t force people to share. So you say sorry jo, Jane doesn’t want to share.

If jo and Sarah want that kind of relationship they will with or without guides.

Have you got chidren Swissgemma?

If a Muslim girl wants to join guides she can. And she can say these are my religious requirements - the troop can then make accommodations as necessary.

You are maddeningly missing the point.

A Muslim girl may WANT to join the GG. And the GG would be happy to admit her and no doubt accommodate her religious requirements.

But that Muslim girl DOESN'T HAVE THE CHOICE ANY MORE because her strict religion prevents her from joining a mixed sex organisation.

She can want all she likes. But she won't be allowed.

poshme I quite agree that Sarah will know - but GG won't have told her

That’s the point everyone will know. The guiders will know. As humans we modulate our relationships accordingly. As a guide leader you are a person who has self selected to care for people and make decisions in the interests of those people.

Don’t force shared sleeping.

People on MN hate trans people

Dont be silly

That’s the point everyone will know. The guiders will know. As humans we modulate our relationships accordingly.

What's the point of having any sort of policy then? Why should we bother to agree rules and best practice, if no one will follow it anyway?

SAFEGUARDING ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS IS BAD NEWS.

Swissgemma, they may well have that kind of relationship- but if Sarah was my daughter, and she was friends with Jo, they would not be allowed in my house alone, they would not be allowed alone in my daughters bedroom, they would not be having sleepovers in the same room.
In my eyes, Jo is a boy.

The guides are enabling children to have underage sex by this policy. And not just lesbian sex (before you bring that up) which will not result in pregnancy. Pregnancy is dangerous. Childbirth is dangerous. STIs are dangerous.

I do have children.

The Muslim girl will say I need these single sex accommodations. The troop will be aware practically of a trans girl. They can say - we have a trans girl in the troop how can we make this work? What can we do? What do you need?

Swissgemma do you have children?

Do you let them share rooms with the opposite sex?

If not, why not?

In my scenario, Jo & Sarah we're not forced.

THE MUSLIM GIRL WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO JOIN IF THERE IS A TRANS GIRL THERE

Do you let your children share a room with the opposite sex?

So sarah’s parents say - I don’t want Sarah and jo sharing a tent alone. The guided says Ok - sorry girls find some more tent mates! You as a parent take control.

That’s the point everyone will know.

How? My DD has just joined a Ranger unit (ages 14 - 18). She knows no ones. No one from her current or old school. We don't know either of the Leaders. They seem very pleasant, friendly, welcoming.
No one knows my DD. I have not had to reveal her biological sex - just asked for her name.

Anyone at that unit, including my DD could be trans.

Yabu op

Seems quite tragically unfair

How do Sarah's parents know?

GG are not allowed to tell them.

The parents won't know Gemma

Swissgemma do you let your children share sleeping accommodation with the opposite sex?

You as a parent take control

But I as the parent won't be in possession of the facts to enable me to make an informed decision in order to take control!!!!

My children are currently too young but I wouldn’t have an issue. With them sharing with friends of either gender. I would have an issue with them being made to share.

My experience of guide and scout camps is that people rarely stay put in their own tents!

My daughters are in guides partly as I know that there is no chance they will be having PIV sex at camp/ on holiday.

I don't know this now.

I have had to stoo reading swiss posts

Im just so embarrassed...its like an episode of the office with David Brent

Im sure swiss is a lovely person in real life and really wants to come up with a workable solution but oh my goodness

In your jo and Sarah example you know!

Sorry swiss i know thats mean but honestly love, youre not listening!

Or reading obviously

Maybe come back when your kids are in their teens and tell us if you're happy for them to share overnight with the opposite sex. I hope you have lots of condoms readily available.