Charolais are you even listening to any of the points people are making? Can you answer 2 questions - i'll be blunt.
1) did your DIL ever actually say "i don't want you here because i don't consider you family". Literally, did she ever confirm that's the reason why she wanted her mum with her, not you?
2) Think of having your next door neighbour in the birth with you. You're always polite and friendly enough to them, yes? So why might you not want them with you during a time when you're scared, high on drugs, boobs out, or (even worse) something medically might go wrong? Don't you get it now?
Please read my 2 posts above. If you read them you will understand where I am coming from and the point I am making.
For those who have poor reading comprehension; I DID NOT WANT TO BE AT THE BIRTH. I NEVER ASKED TO BE THERE. IF I WAS ASKED I WOULD HAVE DECLINED BECAUSE IT IS PRIVATE. I WAS POINTING OUT THE FACT I WAS NOT ASKED BUT MY DILs MOTHER AND SISTERS HAD AN AUTOMATIC RIGHT TO BE THERE.
I didn't want anyone around when I was in labour and considered it very private. My DIL thrives on confrontation and has told me about her various (shocking) public altercations over the years. I can imagine if I asked to visit GD after the birth I would have given an resounding NO.
I was excluded from everything. I was never in the loop. (My son was in and out of war zones for the first 5 yrs of GD's life). I never received updates, photos except what my son send me after the birth. I am not considered part of my GD's family. DIL is welcome to visit here anytime and she knew it. Even though they have been divorced for 10 years I have a standing offer to pay DIL and GD airfare to this country of she ever wants to visit. I am by no means needy about this. I have a rich and full life, just not much closeness with my GD.
Just because I am in the MIL and she is (was) the DIL it was does not necessarily mean I am the bad guy and she her behavior towards me was right.
Look everyone it's no big deal for me, I was just making the point of what it is like to be the MIL compared to the woman's mother and that one day those of you with only sons might find this out - unless you have a DIL who treats their MIL's as nice as I treated mine.
My GD is a teenager now btw.
There's a lot of poor reading comprehension and closed mindedness on this thread when it comes to understanding my comments. I think some of you might never understand the point I'm trying to convey.
Anyway, I've spent enough time with this so I'm going to make like a horse turd and hit the trail.