To think a second Brexit referendum will not happen

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I am a remainer, but people campaigning for a second Referendum are wasting their time. It is not going to happen.

I see 5yearplan is as helpful as ever.

surfer Russia wants Brexit because it destabilises 1. The UK and 2. The EU. Christ, the stuff that needs explaining on here.

5Year would be even more helpful if they’d answered my question.

Give me the immediate, everyday, mundane benefits Brexit will bring.

And OP will be delighted to discover that, despite obvious plopping, MNHQ don't believe he/she is a shill.

Posters need to be aware that people aren't who they say they are, for propaganda purposes (I am a Remainer, but LEAVE MEANS LEAVE).

You'll be thinner. Because a 'little bit poorer' in our house means less food.

But if I’m thinner then I’ll need new clothes and then what?

I wouldn't mind being a little bit thinner, but I'd rather it was because I'd somehow developed the self control to avoid eating a whole packet of biscuits in one sitting rather than because I couldn't afford to buy biscuits.

Yes they did Ethel, a few pages back. Just catching up.

Oh. Well for what it's worth, I consider myself something of an advanced troll hunter these days and IMO you don't have any of the symptoms.

It was me who said the OP was a schill. I said sorry upthread but it was lost. Sorry, I got mixed up will all the threads and it was a mistake. No excuse though. My apologies.

So let's just say we have another referendum and the lefties have yet again misjudged public opinion. Do you then accept the vote? Or do you try for another one? as leave voters are either old or stupid. As for the poster claiming joe blog on the street doesn't understand what they're voting for so we shouldn't have the option. We weren't given the option to go to war with Iraq. People just put their trust in Tony Blair.

So let's just say we have another referendum and the lefties have yet again misjudged public opinion. Do you then accept the vote?

Well then I think it will become clear that the UK is beyond saving.

'the lefties'

'Iraq'

'Tony Blair'

I call Brexit Bingo.

But yes, fwiw - if there was another vote and Leave still won I would accept it. I'd hate it, I'd be devastated by what it said about the people I share this country with and I'd make plans to leave, but I'd accept it.

I also find remainers to be quite aggressive and the most vocal. This does not mean they’re the minority. The world will not end after Brexit. We functioned fine before voting to join the EEA. Other countries manage fine out of Europe and I don’t see Norway or Switzerland desperate to join EU and voted against joining it three times. We are one of the main contributors to the EU and as for letting Greece join that was lunacy. I still strongly believe leaving the EU is the right decision, it’s a failing project.

As for the poster claiming joe blog on the street doesn't understand what they're voting for so we shouldn't have the option

Well, how can a country make important policy decisions based on an ill informed and fickle electorate? we do not have votes on NATO, UN, Trident etc because basically we don't know what the issues are.

We elect a party into Government, they carry out their manifesto or not, we judge them 5 years later, that is our system.

In this decision (the most important since WW2) everyone, apparently, must carry out the "Will of the People" who by their very nature are not accountable.

Incidentally, had Chamberlain called a referendum, we would have almost certainly had sought peace with Germany, there was no appetite for war in '39.

Are you for real with your comments on Norway and Switzerland?

I am a remainer. I think if there was another referendum, results would be broadly similar to the last one. I also don’t believe there will be another referendum. There’s just evidence to suggest it’s on the cards.

How do you know there was not appetite for war in 1939? Just like no appetite for leaving the EU?

We functioned fine before voting to join the EEA. Other countries manage fine out of Europe and I don’t see Norway or Switzerland desperate to join EU

You ve just proved my point, you clearly don't understand the history of Europe, who has voted for what and why.

Norway and Switzerland are heavily involved in the EU, Norway is in EFTA/EEA and the Swiss in the EEA, they have grown alongside the EU.

We are proposing to just leave with nothing at all to take its place, if we were joining EFTA instead, then i could easily live with that.

Winston Churchill was a Eurosceptic, he could see the German project for what it was. History repeating itself for some.

Churchill was a lot of things, not all of them good.

Care to elaborate on your 'history repeating itself' comment?

UK sought appeasement with Germany, a popular policy, right up to 1939, even in 1939, opinion polls showed only 43% in favour of war.

Churchill didn't become PM until 1940 and after the war was very much in favour of European federalisation, as he didn't want another war, having lived through at least 3 of them.

However, why not stick to the present and explain your ignorant comments on Norway and Switzerland.

Why is Remain a "leftie" thing. I wouldn't spit on Corbyn if he was on fire and I voted Remain.

bellinisurge Not gonna lie, I genuinely hope someone knocks Corbyn off his bike and injures him mildly enough that he can make a full recovery but severely enough to take him out of politics for the next two years. If someone sensible were in charge of Labour I don't think we would be in nearly such a mess, and they would probably be campaigning for a second referendum based on actual facts.

The reasons I would vote leave this time are 1) a second vote is undemocratic as the vote in 2016 was supposed to have been final. The EU has a record on seeking to get nations to vote again if they dont like the initial vote 2) behaviour of EU. Some have said we voted to go into EU many years ago. Not so - the Heath govt took us in in 1973 without a referendum with the Wilson govt offering a referendum in 1975 to stay in or leave.