To think a second Brexit referendum will not happen

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I am a remainer, but people campaigning for a second Referendum are wasting their time. It is not going to happen.

"Behaviour of the EU". You would vote for economic suicide because that would really show whoever it was that Instagrammed a picture of a cake.
Or, shock horror, the other party to a negotiation doesn't agree with us.

Cheating and lying to win a referendum is also undemocratic but I don't see any leaver or so called former remainers complaining about that.

And the result of that 1975 referendum was...? By your 'logic' (I use the word in its very broadest sense) that would make the 2016 referendum 'undemocratic'. After all, the original 1975 referendum leaflet said that the Govt 'would abide by the result' too.

Jasjas

As Churchill urged a Franco-German partnership to lead his vision of a new Europe, he declared that Great Britain and the British Commonwealth, along with the US and USSR, should be “friends and sponsors” of the project. He did not talk of the UK becoming a member itself.
“We are with Europe, but not of it,” he wrote in an earlier essay. “We are linked but not comprised.”

I think we're compromised hence why I voted out.

If you voted out for some Churchillian fantasy where we are magically not connected to the rest of the world and are still clinging in to an empire you deserve everything that is heading your way. Food shortages being part of it.

Wait and see how shite life will be when the Tories remove every single protection workers have at the moment. No working time directive, no set amount of holidays, reduced or no maternity leave etc etc etc. We are fucked

Seniorcitizen1 your 2 reasons sum it all up really.

I mean as in there is no hope for some people.

Now if David Lammy was in charge of Labour...used to have hope for Keir Starmer but really disappointed now.

There are also remain posters who hammer and hammer anyone who dares to say they are a leaver. They are unrelenting and never cease to post. One was called small something and flooded every brexit thread with vitriol over the vote. Thankfully they were banned although they kept raising their head under different guises. So I can see why mnhq might not be able to pin these posters down. But some really do just kill discussion, kill every thread and the bitterness oozes from the posts and over all its just boring. After all we are just little old mumsnet. Chatting away. Aside from small and some other posters, the only ones that I have wondered if they are paid or really are on an agenda are momentum type posters.

Fragolino The remain poster You’re talking about was literally banned about 10 times. He just wouldn’t stop. So yes I agree, the biggest pita has been a remainer.

Bellinsurge During the last recession they're we're people scare mongering and stock piling tins of food. I knew someone a PhD that predicted we would be wearing cardboard on our feet like in the times of Hoover the president during the Great Depression. As for European law personally I would rather it be tweaked to suit the British people. I don't believe all workers rights will end. You know we did survive before the EU, we will adjust.

As for European law personally I would rather it be tweaked to suit the British people. That sums up our entire attitude towards the EU from year dot.

I think I remember the leave poster Ethel speaks of. She had distinctive style and laid everything out like an essay, lecture. But who cares! As I said report to mnhq. It's just boring in otherwise interesting discussions. This is a momentous time in our history it's good people are and can talk on here and other forums about it. I like and think it's really important to keep up to date with lots of different pov.

@Neweternal - I'm old enough to remember life before the EEC. It was shit. And I'm old enough to have been an adult during the last recession. And the one before. I don't recall any loud voices saying we are all totally screwed.
"We will cope" isn't really what the Leave campaign promised.

I'm beginning to worry that the poster Ethel refers to was indeed Andrea Leadsom.

Hah! The poster in question definitely didn't have another job, so unless Andrea was Mumsnetting from her office in DECC or from House of Commons debates I think probably not.

unevessary the vote in 1975 was whether to leave what was generally called the common market - focus on trade. The organisation has morphed over 40+ plus years into the EU which is a very different beast. So the 2016 vote was leave/remain a very different organisation.

Yes it was @Seniorcitizen1 . But was anyone told that the food supply will be interrupted.

I see at the Labour conference Corbyn supports a deal or no deal vote, so the JRM right and hard left is coming together to say that we are leaving the EU no matter what.

Its just a matter of either accepting Theresa's deal or leaving on WTO terms.

. I don't recall any loud voices saying we are all totally screwed. Short Memory, I very much do!, some people just love scaremongering it’s like they have depression and they divert how they’re feeling and put it onto a political situation. So how was life shit before the EEA? No free movement of the unskilled? Both my parents worked in Europe for a time in the 1960/70s it wasn’t impossible, they were skilled and educated. Life was not shit before the EEA, that’s a lie and doesn’t explain why older people voted out.

Of course the country will survive, adapt etc. But it will be worse off for the foreseeable future, for absolutely no good reason. How frustrating is that! Don't you want to thrive, do better rather than just cope??

Plus I think if you're a committed eurosceptic, surely you should see the appeal to remain: that will be the best way to piss Europeans the hell off, and to make an impact from within whilst enjoying the best deal there is.

The economy was in serious trouble @Neweternal which is why we joined in the first place. My parents worked all over the world, of course it was possible.
As for the whole country grinding to a halt. Well yes, if Gordon Brown hadn't stepped in when the banks struggled we would all have felt it even harder eventually.
Thatcher tried to pull us out of the one before and obviously there were plenty of anti Thatcher voices (because she was a nasty grim destroyer).
But if you think the warnings about problems with food and medicine supply are project fear, don't take me word for it, read the Government's technical notices. Or are they liars too?

As Churchill urged a Franco-German partnership to lead his vision of a new Europe, he declared that Great Britain and the British Commonwealth, along with the US and USSR, should be “friends and sponsors” of the project. He did not talk of the UK becoming a member itself
“We are with Europe, but not of it,” he wrote in an earlier essay. “We are linked but not comprised.”

We were never compromised, whatever that means? we will now not even be linked!

The world is a very different place to then, the commonwealth will soon be a thing of the past, as is the USSR, China is a super power and the workshop of the world, we are no longer either.
We face completely different threats and challenges, yet you want to go back to a previous age?