To think a second Brexit referendum will not happen

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I am a remainer, but people campaigning for a second Referendum are wasting their time. It is not going to happen.

I also nod and agree when talking to remainers in real life.

There will be no second vote. Everywhere apart from inner London and Scotland voted leave. Decisively. Both traditional Labour and traditional Tory areas. Huge turnout - people who had never voted in their life voted.

It was a valid referendum after months, years of debate. Enormous democratic exercise.

A second referendum would be madness and less valid than the first. And lead to nothing but bitterness confusion and entrenched grievances for decades to come.

The UK needs to unite around Brexit and come together to make the best of it.

Did I see a possibility we could initially be poorer? Yes and long term I felt it was worth the risk.

So what do you think the long term benefits will be, to offset the "initially poorer' period and the risks? In practical terms?

Eh? Leeds didn't vote Leave. Manchester didn't either. Oxford and Cambridge were Remain. Newcastle too albeit just.

I was registered to vote up to last year but then I left the UK so have fallen off the electoral register and need to re-register as an overseas voter.

I understand your sceptism but trolls are becoming a real problem for our democracy and Mumsnet is not immune. There were people posting on here prior to the referendum who were so prolific that they could not possibly have had other jobs or children to occupy them and whose posting style was deeply suspicious (very scripted). They disappeared as soon as the referendum was over without even staying to gloat over the result (which was odd in itself since they were extremely goady up to that point), in a manner which suggested their job was done and they'd clocked off. A couple of people have recently appeared again posting in exactly the same way, which makes me wonder whether someone on the leave side is gearing up for referendum mk 2.

@5Yearplan4000 I will never ever unite behind Brexit. I will never unite behind a plan that will seriously demands my country.

I know a Leave voter who voted that way because she didn’t want Remain to win by too much. She now bitterly regrets that vote and would vote Remain in a new referendum.

Ok so someone knows of someone who regrets their vote. Hardly a landslide vote this is going to be.

Lalliella

Anyone would think people aren't taking our democracy seriously.

Perhaps because they don't expect their vote to actually matter.

The first steps of a new era are always full of fear and doubt. People need to stop fretting honesty.

The first steps of a new era are always full of fear and doubt. People need to stop fretting honesty.

It's what the communists said in 1917 and see how well that worked out for them.

And some new eras are just fucking shit!

A new era of shit is not something I welcome. Telling me "not to fret" is patronising nonsense.

It’s also fine being a little worse off as long as we we can govern ourselves. I’d vote leave and rather be poorer and govern ourselves, instead of being ruled from Brussels by unelected officials and corrupt politicians. Not everything is about a bit of money.

the problem is that all the stupid people who voted leave in in the first place are too fucking stupid to realise or admit that they fucked up royally in the first place

An interesting attitude - hardly helpful, but interesting all the same

Governments should make policy and should not be led by a focus group or even a referendum.

The vast majority of people do not understand international trade, customs union, single market or foreign investment etc any more than they understand the chemical process involved in a migraine or why organ transplant rejection occurs.

We need to stop being so arrogant and thinking we do, we don't.

Our Government is accountable to us, always have been and we ve done very well out of being in the EU, the fact Governments have't distributed the increased wealth equally isn't an EU issue.

It just amazes me that Leavers have such faith in our politicians, who wont have changed post brexit, to put these wrongs right.

We're not going to be "a little bit poorer".

Brexit is an unnecessary, self-inflicted wealth destroying event of epic proportions. Except for the like of Jacob Rees Mogg who stand to make a killing.

You know, I thought leave voters were idiots (or at best naive) before the referendum for failing to see through the obvious bullshit and lies of the leave campaign.

But to still think it's a good idea now you would have to be a monumental fuckwit and I just can't even pretend to have any respect for your or your stupid views.

@5Yearplan4000 - we already govern ourselves but, hey, believe rich white men with hedge funds who say we don't.

The UK needs to unite around Brexit and come together to make the best of it

Fuck off with your 'unite behind Brexit I'm going to be losing my job because of Brexit and my children's future is damaged, actual concrete damage, plans that they had are now in the bin because of this shit storm. And for what benefit? To appease a bunch of racists as far as I can see. I wonder if your beloved blue passports will become a hated symbol of Brexit and the stripping away of our rights.

It’s also fine being a little worse off as long as we we can govern ourselves.

Two things.

What about those who really, really can't afford to be 'a little worse off'?

And... what the giddy fuck does 'govern ourselves' mean, exactly? I am so sick of this bullshit. We have a sovereign parliament. We VOTE for those who represent us in the EU. We WROTE most of the damn rules ourselves! Just for once, just once, I want a Leaver to get beyond the soundbites and actually explain what they mean. Just once ffs.

And then, once you've done that, you can ask me to 'get behind it'. But since you never, EVER say what 'it' is...how can I?

5Yearplan4000. You didn't vote in the last referendum.

And yet you are calling people traitors who DID vote on an issue that will affect our country for years to come.

Ask me to get behind it and I will tell you to fuck off. Tell me we can make our own laws now and I will consider you an idiot.
I don't have to get behind anything I don't approve of.
We already make our own laws.

Yes, this "get behind Brexit" stuff is really tiresome.

Especially when it comes from pensioners and unemployed people who aren't the ones paying taxes to support two unnecessary government departments and years of pointless negotiations instead of stuff like the NHS and schools, and who won't personally be doing anything to "make a success of Brexit" because they don't do anything generally.

Also, your name is very fitting, 5Yearplan.

Those didn't work out, either.

Thing is, you don't just ask people to 'get behind' something and expect it to happen.

You have to sell it into them. Paint the picture of why it's worth it. Leavers have singularly failed to do this, so no wonder remainders are disgruntled and unhappy and will continue to be until someone can demonstrate why leaving the EU is actually a good thing.

There were people posting on here prior to the referendum who were so prolific that they could not possibly have had other jobs or children to occupy them

Says the poster who’s barely been off MN in the last 3 days.